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Elgin Lane. Jim and I were married 10 years ago and after being both single for 8 years, single parents, we wanted to move into the Bannockburn neighborhood because it was a neighborhood, it was uniquely a neighborhood.

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We found a home at 6823 Bar, which we delighted in. It was only 18 years old at the time, and it was just on a slab and cement blocks, the living room

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wall. So Jim and I, ourselves, renovated that interior and put insulation and are very proud of the job we did.

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And then we added an extension. We did have help with the exterior extension, but we took pictures of all the walls inside because Jim did it himself with my snooper vision.

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We never want to leave the Bannockburn area. What did you know? Why did you come to Bannockburn? What did you know about it?

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Because Jim had worked in the computer industry, government contracting for the last 30 years and always wanted to live right in this area under the big trees. And that's part of the mystery is

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we couldn't believe that it was a golf course and open fields and living under the big trees. So one of the pleasures was seeing that vista of the old clubhouse today and seeing what it was like.

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But we want to protect--We want to work to protect the uniqueness of this neighborhood. And so we found another house on the corner of where we are presently living which we have

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completely renovated and are trying to protect and save the overgrown lot. It's a corner lot at 6600 Elgin and again we want to work to preserve the old trees and just

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the--let me put it this way Jim and I are so busy in our business that we really don't have time for vacations. So we come home to our country spot, and that's what Bannockburn is.

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It's a little niche in the busy metropolitan world and you really do feel you've escaped into this wonderful little community. So we want to do everything to

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continue preserving that and hopefully our children might be able to move back in. What--what memories do you have about you've been in the neighborhood for eight years now?

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Yeah, a total of eight years. Any really memorable events, or? I think basically since Jim and I are so busy working in our business coming home it's really the environment and the

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friendliness the Springers [who've] been our neighbors have been very supportive to us. I think it's just mainly that is the friendliness, the little town community spirit of it.

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So that even though we're not actively, we don't actively participate because we didn't have little children, it's the feeling that you're in a warm environment, you know, community, that makes you feel so good about being there, even though you may not be

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actively involved in the playgroups or with the children. Do you remember how you found out about Bannockburn ? Jimmy I think was the one who just always wanted to be here because he had lived either closer into the city and had lived further out

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in Gaithersburg. And so, as I said, when we were remarried, this is always where he wanted to live, having been [you know] in government contracting for so much of his adult work

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life. So, I don't know, I'm sorry, I don't know why originally, except that it's right near the river, it's right near the canal, it's right near the parkland, and it's

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just... We are fortunate because the people who came before us in the Bannockburn community and had the ideal to build a community and because of their hard work and

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their efforts we found a community that we love and want to continue to protect. So, I think it's probably an appreciation of those efforts of those people over the last 40

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years. Your children were already too old to have gone to Bannockburn School? Elementary, but not high school.

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My younger son went to, went through Whitman. Went to Whitman. But they're now grown off and gone.

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Yeah, my both boys are in college. Well, one just graduated, but David is still in college. Uh-huh.

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But, I think it's that. I think it's the appreciation that somebody before us had done something. We're sorry we couldn't be part of it but we can appreciate what they

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did. Now let's work to continue to preserve that neighborhood and the environment. That's great.

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Okay. Good. That's far too long, Sandra. How are you-- Anita Gamson.

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And your current address is? 4620 North Park Avenue, Apartment 604 West, Chevy Chase, Maryland, 20815. I suppose what really attracted us

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to Bannockburn and the thing that we liked best was the sense of community. We had been traveling a good deal and lived overseas and so we were looking for a place that we could

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put down roots and raise a family and after having spent some time in the Washington area, decided on this community. How did you hear about Bannockburn? We heard about it through the Jacobsons because Laura's good

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friend during the war in the Red Cross in Philadelphia was my college roommate at the University of Minnesota years before and our mutual friend told us to look them up and we did and liked the community and have memories of houses going up along Bannockburn

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Drive and further toward Wilson Knolls later. So you were one of the very early. No we weren't that early. We came here in 1954.

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Uh-huh. Well, that's pretty close. We lived here for two years, and then my husband was sent to Argentina and one of the very fine

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memories was the farewell parties, the attention that was paid us before we left. We thought it was so unusual that we had been here just in such a short time and people had been so

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pleasant. And of course we looked forward to coming back here. How long were you gone?

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We were just gone about three years. And then you moved back? Then we moved back to Bannockburn and moved to the house across the street from our original one because it had a basement.

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And you lived there until just a year ago? And we lived there from 1960 to last year. Uh-huh.

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So what do you remember with a fondness, other than that going away part of it? Oh, I remember the people and the cooperativeness. And when I was taking some

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training from 1960 to '62, and my children were quite young, I knew that I could count on the neighbors to help me out if the children were ill or if I needed anything. And that was unusual, I think, for many communities.

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I think for many communities. Funny stories? Funny stories. Say that again.

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I was editor of a newsletter for either a year or two years, I think, in the '50s, and I enjoyed that very much. I took over from Lu Dreyer [?] because she was expecting her youngest then.

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And I remember writing in the editorial that I was taking over because she was involved in bigger things. I can't think of anything that's

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either terribly funny or terribly poignant. Of course poignancy is involved with the deaths of various friends around Bannockburn. But that would be true of any

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place. One thing, I think the thing that I admire so much about Bannockburn is how politically aware and active so many of the people are.

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Yeah, I think that's an important part of the narrative. Great, thank you very much. My name is Laura Dubester and my current address is 111 Front

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Street in Housatonic, Massachusetts, 01236. I think what I remember about Bannockburn are probably real childhood memories there. Cooperative babysitting, community

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swimming pool, parading around the streets on Halloween, egg throwing contests on the Fourth of July, watermelon eating contests on the Fourth of July, my parents coming up to go folk dancing, art classes here at nursery school, here at day camp, here at the clubhouse,

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sleigh riding down on East Halbert behind the [Showalters'] house, all the neighbors, seeing houses being built, playing on the big pile of dirt before the road up to the swimming--up to the Bannockburn Elementary School was built.

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And those are probably some of the childhood memories. The other strong memory that I have is Clara Barton's school, which would have been 1956, Brown versus the Board of Education, which was an announcement that tomorrow morning we're going to

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have, I don't know, five or six or seven children, Black children or Negro children, whatever they were called, then coming to class, and that everyone was supposed to behave and be nice. And up until that moment, never realizing probably that we were in

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a segregated school, but then all of a sudden something was different after that. How did it go? Fine.

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There was no problem at all. I think everything, we were just kids. There was never a problem. I think the only problem we had

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was our fourth grade teacher who was a black woman was not very friendly but I don't think there was a racial problem I think it was just who she was but that wasn't--that was separate I'm trying to think of other...

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What was important to you about living in Bannockburn? Were you old enough when you were here to have had a sense of why it was important to be here or why you liked it here? You were born in Bannockburn?

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I was born, I moved here maybe when I was two. And we moved, I remember, I don't think I remember, as a child I couldn't compare it to anything. So that was just normal.

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I think when we moved to a bigger house in the fourth grade that felt horrible. So it was more the fact of leaving all my friends, moving to Merrimack Park, and then I could

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still ride my bike and then just be in Bannockburn. And then having fourth, third, leaving in the fourth grade, and then by the fifth grade, so it's just really half a year, the Bannockburn Elementary School was built.

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So I just had this half a year which was just so horrible when I had to leave and then by fifth and sixth grade I was back with all my friends. But was your name Dubester when

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you were living here? Yes. Okay. And I think since then, I think some strong things have happened when I've reconnected with the

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kids I went to nursery school. Tell us about that. For example, my friend Amy, one time we got together 20 or 30 years later.

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And I said to her that I always thought she was so incredibly powerful and strong because she could always get me to come and play at her house. And then she said, "Oh no, you were the one who was so brave and

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courageous because I was afraid to leave my house." And so just to realize that I always thought she could get me there, but she always felt that she really was more afraid. And so she was, things that you can't realize as a child that you

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can go back and talk to. Are there Bannockburnians in... Western Mass now? Yeah, Western Mass? No. So we're not really in touch very much.

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I hope people come today. I just heard some people-- I think I do remember that there were the shows every year with the political satire and the wit.

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And I think I grew up with a feeling of pride or respect or there's something about the grownups here that they were doing important things or meaningful things.

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And that I think is something I grew up with in the Civil Debt, that this is a place of leadership for the civil rights movement and social activism. And something about the way you're supposed to treat people seem to

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be a strong value here. Did you get dragooned into any social action yourself? Of course. But I think that [unintelligible] my, yeah, I think after college I

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was a very strong anti-war activist. And I'm still really an activist right now. It's in energy conservation activities, where I work. And before that I was a counselor in drug rehab.

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Very good. Okay. Anything else? That's it. Good.

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Are you going to ask me these questions then? Or do you want me to just start talking? Can you say your name and your address.

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Okay. Beth Brooks and my address is 64 Spruce Street in Watertown Massachusetts and the zip code is 02172. And I was born in Bannockburn, I mean I lived here from infancy

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until I was 12 and it was very startling to me to move away from Bannockburn and to find out that the world outside was very different. Obviously I had no choice about

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living here, but I really appreciate it. And I find, one of the most amazing things I find is that I'm still in touch with people I've known since childhood and that always astounds people that I meet since then.

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I remember coming back for my 10th high school reunion, which was interesting from Whitman, but more interesting was the next day when we had a Bannockburn Elementary School reunion. In fact I am moving to the house of another former Bannockburnian

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shortly. And-- Who's that? John Dreyer. Oh yeah.

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The address I just gave you is where he currently lives, but he will soon be moving. And I really, one of the most important parts of being in Bannockburn to me was having such

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a solid idea about what a community could be. And as many families around here, my parents moved here away from their families. So I didn't have a lot of extended

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relatives here and I really find that I'm as close to the people we were closest to here as I am to my extended family in many ways. And that is just very supportive and I have very warm feelings about being in Bannockburn.

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I think one difficult aspect was that--I think I had a hard time adjusting to living away from here. And I was uprooted as a child and

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then moved back to the area. But I really came to believe that people had this kind of community everywhere and found out that to me it was very special.

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I think it was hard for me to reconcile understanding that the origins really were socialist in nature and that really most of the families here are fairly wealthy. I mean there are certain contradictions.

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Disjunctions. Yeah. Which probably are still make it difficult for me to imagine as I'm shaping my own life how to put all of those things together.

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But I heard you talking when I came in about political and social activism, and I really I think that one of the important awarenesses that I got from being here was to value actions and ways of improving society and sticking up for the underdog.

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I think I have pretty progressive politics and I think that when I was growing up that was in some ways a given. Whether it was liberal or whatever, it was not necessarily radical.

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But I think clearly I got a lot of that from being here. Asking me some of my memories, I went to nursery school in this very room.

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And I remember one day when my mother was participating, helping out in the classroom that day, that Carl Stambler, who was in my class, swallowed green paint. Somehow I will never forget that

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sight of him opening his mouth and seeing his green tongue. [laughter] And I also remember in nursery school being told that a giant had come and I think they were filling in the cement around here, laying it out.

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Somebody had made a big giant footprint and the mailman told us that he had seen a giant. I remember that. And I certainly had many

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activities in this very clubhouse. Like what? Well I went to nursery school here. I went to day camp here as a camper and a junior counselor.

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I took dance class here and I went to Brownies and Girl Scouts. Plenty. I went to--A friend of mine had a wedding reception here, Debbie Jacobson, several years ago.

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I'm sure I'm leaving something out, I came to the clubhouse all the time. But I just remember a real warmth about--I grew up on Laverock Court and there were kids, it was a dead

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end street and we used to play outside every day. There was always someone to play with and I think I learned to be real sociable from that. So I am appreciative of having

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grown up here. Just knowing people that I knew when I was three is really touching. Actually I went to Bannockburn, Scotland.

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I was in Scotland about ten years ago-- My son did that too. Oh really? And I met up with someone else from Bannockburn [Didsey Macda?] and we ended up and we ran into [Pam Wolfe?] and the three of us went to Bannockburn in Scotland.

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In fact, we took our pictures there. But I have really quite fond memories of that. Do you feel you learned something about how to make this happen? Like, do you see yourself being in Massachusetts, being able to

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create something like this? I'm not sure. I always imagined myself being in some kind of community. And I've always found one of some sort. I don't think I've ever found one that felt quite as right as

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Bannockburn. And I think I've always been able to make people feel at home because of this. But concretely, starting a community is a little more

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confusing to me. And possibly some of that is, as I said, because there seem to be some conflicts in some ways between the politics and the professionalism and the wealth and

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it didn't all quite--In some ways some of it seemed a little bit hypocritical, but I have that in me. I carry that. So I suppose if I--I guess the

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answer is that I don't know how I would do it. I think I've learned how to I know that I make people feel very comfortable and that there's nothing I love more than having several friends come over and have a dinner or something like that.

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But I'm not sure how I would go about doing something like this. But I know it was so important to me. Is that it? I guess so. OK. My name is David Pollack, and My current address is 7425 Venice

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Street, V-E-N-I-C-E, Falls Church, Virginia 22043. My parents moved here when I was six years old. My older sister Vicki was eight and my younger brother was six months.

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Two years later, my sister Martha was born in 1953. We first moved into the house in 1951.

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East Halbert Road only extended five houses. And the first few months, there was no telephone.

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There was a telephone booth on the corner of Bannockburn and East Halbert and there was no sod on the street I mean on the on the on the lawns there were no lawns but if you say when there's no sod so when it rained the street would be

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this incredible river of mud that would come down from above where the street ended, and you'd have to get out in your boots and wade down to the corner to make telephone calls. At that time, East Halbert Road, as I say, ended only five houses

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up. Beyond that was a sloping hill that continued up to about the height, I guess, where Bannockburn Elementary School is now.

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But East Halbert didn't, or the land didn't look the way it did after East Talbot was completed over the hill. Because when East Halbert went up

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over the hill, they cut into the slope, making a much steeper slope up to Bannockburn School. At any rate, the first Halloween party I remember was right at the end of East Halbert Road, five

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houses up. The Schwartz's house was the last one, and the Lebergotts lived across the street. There was a big campfire at night, and people sat around singing

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songs late into the night I think there was only one at that location maybe two and they switched to Bannockburn Drive and strung lights on the--the power poles. Bannockburn Drive at that time only went up five houses, ending

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where the Jaworskis lived on one side and the Orkins on the other. Bannockburn Drive, for a long time beyond that point, was a dirt road that was cut into the land, forming a sort of a—what do you call it—a canyon.

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Not terribly high, but the sides of the canyon were maybe, oh, eight or ten feet high and at one point the rain carved a cave into the side of the road and the kids used to go there and play in this cave all the time.

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Parents were afraid it was going to cave in. As a matter of fact, the top of it did cave in, but that was sort of interesting. At that time, the clubhouse had an

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auxiliary building that was located, I guess, a little bit behind where the Bookbinders’ house is. It was in terrible shape. One of the young kids, Bobby

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Craig, walking on the second floor, the house was condemned that we used to sneak in there. He fell through from the second floor to the first floor and broke his leg.

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Ooh! It was interesting. One of the major events I remember growing up was, I think it was probably about 1955 or 1956, there was a big fire. All the area above where these first houses were built had tall

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grass at this point. And it continued--there were no houses between the end of East Halbert, Bannockburn Drive, and River Road, essentially.

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So it was a large area of woods and grassland. And it caught on fire one summer, and there were, my memory was, there was something like 40 pieces

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of equipment surrounding the area. And everyone went out with their coats and blankets and beat down the flames it was quite exciting. There might be something in the Washington Post about that time.

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What year was that? I'm not sure. I would guess it was probably 1955 but it just-- Summer? Probably summer, it was definitely hot. Do you want to turn off for a second while I gather my...?

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Sure. I think clearly the most important thing about to me about living in Bannockburn was the community spirit, the nursery school, the swimming pool, the Halloween

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parties, spring dances, the whole spring show, and just knowing a great number of people, obviously in this 40th anniversary a lot of other people felt the same way and come back for it. One of the things I remember the most were the winter snow storms

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and the great sledding hills that used to be around here. There still are some. Originally, there was a hill that ran from the clubhouse all the way down, directly down to the creek.

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West Halbert Road hadn't been built yet. And so the sleigh riding and tobogganing started at the clubhouse, went all the way down to the creek. It's just wonderful.

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And before the top of East Halbert was finished, there was another sleigh ride area from about where Bannockburn School is all the way down to where the swimming pool is now.

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Another just tremendously long run. And those were a great deal of fun.

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[unintelligible] I remember picketing with a group of other people down at Glen Echo Amusement Park in the early stages of the Civil Rights movement and the counter pickets were George Lincoln Rockwell and some brown

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shirted stormtroopers. There were a few relatively few, maybe six or seven of them but they would picket and yell epithets—is that right, epithets?--at the other picketers.

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One time George Lincoln Rockwell for whatever reason told me that I wasn't such a bad Jew and that he wouldn't hang me on the steps of the Capitol when he hung the rest of the Jews. Oh, god.

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Yeah, he was a sweet man. We also, after the Glen Echo picketing, there was picketing at the Heiser Bethesda Theater. And I think Rockwell's group also

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counter picketed there. That was interesting. I remember the, the way the newspapers really threw out a perspective, the famous quote "riot" of Glen Echo, when after

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the park had been integrated and there were a large number of Black children from Washington who'd come on the trolley line. Apparently there was some rowdiness and the park decided to close down during the day and so they shooed everyone out of the

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park and close the gates and there's no way for the kids to get back to D. C. because the buses couldn't handle the streetcar that large number of kids. So they started walking back up to

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MacArthur Boulevard and Massachusetts Avenue and started off by going into the [hives?] in the Glen Echo shopping center. The reports on the news that night were that they had ransacked the store and there had been a great deal of destruction and they had

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walked up Massachusetts Avenue and broken car windows and harassed people. And I was there maybe an hour or two after these incidents were supposed to have happened, I went

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into the [hive?] store and everything looked normal. I asked him, “Well what happened?” He said, “Well some kids knocked a few things off the shelves and we put them back on again”. And there were a couple of cars that had been bounced and it was

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one car where the glass had been broken. As far as I could tell that was about it. And it was blown way out of proportion and as a result of that bad publicity people stopped coming to Glen Echo.

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I think that led to the close of the park. I always wondered about that. Yeah. It was really, I mean newspapers tend to do that unfortunately,

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take an interesting story and blow it out of proportion. I remember going to the Crystal Pool at Glen Echo is one of my favorite memories out here. In the early days in Bannockburn

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where they had relatively large big headline shows Howdy Doody and Clarabell were down there once and that attracted such a large crowd that the cars were backed up along MacArthur Boulevard beyond Bannockburn Drive and you could hear from up to the clubhouse you

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could hear Howdy Doody down at Glen Echo on the loudspeaker and that was--that was a lot of fun. But the Crystal Pool and the great sliding board they had down there, that was wonderful, a wonderful

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place to go. Also, the DGS store was sort of a local hangout. After school, you’d go down to the

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DGS and get a Rock Creek orange soda and a Reese's peanut butter cup. Then you walk down to the canal and skip rocks across the water.

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It's one of the great advantages of Bannockburn is its location close to the C&O Canal and the river. It's really a feeling of being in

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the country so easily by just walking down there. Did you ever go skating on the canal? Oh yeah.