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In the midst of the chaos of War, we are surrounded with food, not bombs. Cleveland has brought free vegetarian food to Public Square every Sunday since January 1996. The He has sought to redirect societies priorities from the production of weapons of mass destruction and towards the Fulfillment of unmet human needs. If you are interested in becoming involved with a local group, you can either go to the free meal across from Power City on Sundays after 4 p.m. Or call. Mike me set to 16 75249 43. Didn't call again. Mike. Nice ass. At 216 75249 43. Radio. You are listening to fast radio bringing the crystallization of new ideas to the airwaves. The views expressed in this show are not necessarily those of w, are you w or Case Western Reserve University? Good afternoon, everybody. Today. We are talking with are in the studio with us and we are also here with codecollaborator Chris, and we have a couple other guest, Tom Hunt who's going to be helping to direct the show for the next two weeks. But today again we have are and he's going to give us a whole new perspective on way that people are houseless in the type of Lifestyle people live specifically, I think you might want to tell us a little bit about some of his travels across the country or perhaps. We'll let him go and say what he's got to say. All right, how's it going out there in radioland called are glad to be here. I just want to give props to Dan and Crew for a, having the show that focuses on issues

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of house listeners and homelessness. I think it's really important and I want to talk a little bit about what I've been into for the last 13 years of my life, which is living like a house list existence, which is different than kind of different than a lot of the homeless situations we have, which are more forced onto people and people are putting to Dire Straits but As far as my situation is more of a chosen situation and I'm part of a really exciting Community underground. Network of people that exist throughout the country and in fact throughout the world. And basically we have many facets to that. This community is very Loosely organized network of people. And we do things like share food, not bombs, which are people. Here are familiar with through the works of local people here. And so in probably about probably 50, to 100 cities, we around the world. We have food not bombs chapters, and we also have a community radio, such as this, and also, also, we have Pirate Radio Stations, which are micro powered radio, stations trying to reclaim the airwaves, and Also have info shops. All we have about probably 15 to 20 different info shops spaces where information is shared and people can get together and network and have meetings. And we also have squats in many, many cities. Right on. Yeah, and now you've actually could you want to tell us about some of the recent activities are came in from Detroit, and he was involved in some stuff there, but he was also involved with some stuff prior to going to Detroit. I want to get into that, but I was still kind of on this. So now I didn't want to jump into that quick. I just wanted to really just let people know that there's a really cool, exciting network of underground network of people live in China. Find different ways to get the things that they need and find different ways to live. And you know, I know that I was not aware of it until I kind of stumbled upon it and I think in a similar way there's a lot of people out there that are unsatisfied with the present way that the society is set up to take care of people's desires and needs. And a lot of people just are get kind of get into a groove or rut really as far as you know work job. Bob rent kind of situation. And in fact, there's a lot of people working towards towards Alternatives. And

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sure we have a local group here rosewater 2000. And Dave is a talked about a lot of these issues to, you know, talking about some of the issues with rent and jobs. Um, yeah, I want to encourage people to support those things where they're at. And I just, I think it's a really, really cool. I've been really fortunate to get involved in it and some of the things I've been involved with all my travels. It's not just like I travel around and just try to get by. I really try to use my hands and my heart and my body and my mind to transform myself and transform the society. I live in. I don't really You know, even though I am not really into the dominant Society. I'm also have to recognize that I'm a part of it and I benefit off of it. And so, you know, it's not that I'm totally not a part of it but I'm into transforming it into something different. And so in that vein, you know, like I was saying we work on these alternative sure alternative kind of formations to deal with issues around housing and food also, We we try to confront the dominant power structure as Dan was trying to alluding to before. I was just my travels, just took me through Detroit, where last week, the organization of American states was meeting in Windsor across the river from Detroit and Windsor Canada. And a lot of probably about, I don't know, probably like 1,500 to 2,000 people or maybe something like 1,000 to 2,000 people travelled up that way too in an effort to shut down those meetings. So unfortunately, for myself and some others who didn't arrive too early. They pretty much effectively, shut down the border to anybody who was cool. So a lot of us just ended up on the Detroit side, which was really cool and we did some really cool things, had some really creative rallies. There's really exciting things going on. As far as people using art and puppetry and theater to try to raise awareness about some of the issues that we're going to talk about here. I think one issue we wanted to really focus. Today was this whole idea of globalization what some people term neoliberal economics? And we wanted to talk some about that. It really does affect all of our Lives, although although you wouldn't really know it by reading the news. It seems like some kind of abstract thing that just happens, but but it's a system that affects all of us and more and more so every day and the way it's presented to us. It's kind of like, oh, it's really complicated. And and, you know, it's not really for the Common person to think about or understand, but, but in reality, a lot of the concepts are really, really basic, and it's easy to see what's what's right. And what's wrong. And do you want to go into some of those Concepts and give us an idea of what Lisa me? Your thoughts are on that. Yeah, and one reason we wanted to talk about it was because there was a huge, like a lot of these issues got got recognized, a lot more in Seattle after the WTO demonstrations, and I was up there. So I was going to talk about my experiences up there.

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I of wanted to lay the ground work on that a little bit instead of just jumping into that. So Chris and I are going to talk a little bit about globalization what they call globalization. It's I would add. So let's good right into that. And what I want to say is that globalization isn't isn't really new. It's all it's actually been going on for for, you know, several several centuries. The process of people basically taking resources from around the planet mostly from Africa, Latin, America, and Asia, and expropriated them stealing them, and taking them back to Europe and the United States and Canada. So it's not necessarily a new phenomenon, the fact that the, you know, governments and corporations are going around the world and stealing resources. But what's happening now is they're really trying to encode a Phi, this whole situation into law, whereas before it was kind of, you know, it started out as just outright thievery and then they kind of worked it into some Frameworks of you know, But now, they're really trying and codify the whole thing into law, and get every country, and every government of every country to go along with it. And so, basically, we're going to talk. I'm going to talk about kind of the general idea of how it works. And then we're going to try to zero in and show how it affects us in Cleveland locally. And one thing we're going to do later in the show is we're going to have a guest on talking about the living wage campaign and they're going to have a big vote on that next Monday in the city council and I think it is related to this whole Trend idea of globalization and the struggle for a living wage, you know, is definitely related. So so basically globalization or neoliberal economic policies is a is is when is a system by which corporations and government, facilitate their abilities to exploit people and the earth. And the way that they do this is that they are They've set up the system where they've got a lot of countries thinking they're in debt, the IMF and the World Bank have been operating for about 50 years for about 55 years now, and they basically 56 and they basically got all these countries thinking, they're in debt, which to me is just ridiculous. Because really, if anybody is in debt to anybody, it's the u.s. Society government and corporations and the European Society, government and corporations are in have a tremendous debt to Africa and Latin America. Asia for 500 years of pillaging them, but the reality is they've got the system set up where the Latin American and African and Asian countries, you know, have this debt to us and Multinational Banks. And so therefore their currency is basically worthless compared to the dollar. So it's just kind of set up that way. I mean the, you know, the people that are making these loans like the IMF and the banks they know that it's not about them, get making money on the internet. Make Money off these loans. They know that a lot of these loans are going to be paid back, but they also know that that in itself is going to keep these countries under their thumb and they're going to be able to dictate policies. And that's just in fact, what they do. The IMF has a program called structural adjustment programs, literally saps, sap s. It's kind of like, or well couldn't have really thought it up any better because these things totally sap people's countries and economies and their Earth, or land or labor. And now, what happens is The countries in debt and then the IMF and the u.s. Big Banks. They go in there and they say all right. Well, we'll give you some debt reduction, you know, but but in order to get your debt reduced, you're going to have to open up your Society more to our corporations. And so they've forced these countries to enact laws like a lot of countries have laws that say, well, no company can be owned more than 51% by foreigners, you know, to try to keep local economy going. So they forced the countries to scrap these laws. So that, you know, the u.s. Can go and buy up all the Latin America. Phone companies like AT&T can go down there and it&t can go down and buy up all the phone companies down there and start, you know, making a lot of money off the people. So basically it's just a scam and the one thing they had going was called Gat General agreement on tariffs and trade and that was passed in 48, I believe. And basically, that was a another means to open up countries to exploitation. And after that at a certain point when they had enough countries, Go sign into it. They actually created, what's known as the World Trade Organization, and that's just a big organization of governments, but really governments that are, you know, representative representing the corporations and corporate interests, and they're forcing countries to scrap environmental laws to scrap labor laws, open up their economies to the, you know, basically European and US multinational, corporations facilitating exploitation, so, You know, I'm going to turn it over to Chris and maybe he could talk a little more specifically about how effects specific countries. All right. Thanks are. I'm gonna talk a little bit about the situation in Turkey right now. I've just got back from spending about a year there and living in a. Guess. You can call our working-class neighborhood outside of Ankara, which is the capital. One thing. I want to mention before I get into this is, you know, are made a very good kind of summary of what's going on. And also one thing I want, Mention is that you'll hear, you know, these huge Aid packages going to these countries and you know, multiple billion dollar Aid packages and in the majority of these are reality is that you know, there's really strict restrictions on how that money is spent and who qualifies to get that money in. Generally the only people that can qualify are these large corporations that are actually, you know, owned majority of them by Foreign interest and multinational corporations. So it kind of these Aid packages in the ends a large proportion. Portion that end up going back to the you know, home corporations in the North America and Europe. So let me go on to talk about turkey for a little bit. Basically. I was living in this working-class neighborhood for about a year and it was amazing seeing the impact of the IMF, and World Bank regulations and the various laws or ordinances. They imposed the kind of major thing I saw going on was the Restriction of labor laws. They We had a very specific kind of development plan. They had developed and basically meant raising the prices of kind of ending ending ending the various subsidies that the government provides in terms of food, and we'd for bread and everything at the same time, keeping down the wages for the workers. So which would give a kind of cheap labor pool for corporations coming in there and you would see, you know, a person who was employed usually employed. Boyd doing construction or working in the government as a civil servant, or as a driver for some company or something. Making about $200 a month. Now, out of that, you know, is they're paying over $100 a month for rent often and that is self as a product of the IMF regulations and kind of opening up the economy which has shot up rent, and property values. So you're, you know, paying 50% of your income for rent and then the other in typically in lobby. Was I was working with, you know, it'd be kind of the man of the household working in the woman and two children at home. And so you typically have a family of four or five people living on about a hundred dollars a year, which was just, you know, an incredible and along with this, with come, these, you know, increases in the valley in the prices of food and various, you know, basic substances, substances subsistence needs. And so it was a very, it's very clear. I mean, you read in one day and The paper you see in at IMF, as in the World Bank, a special, the world like, you know, came in and then we had a meeting and we agreed to these things. And these things the next day you would see, you know, inflation going up, you would see wages stagnating and see the prices of food and rents going up. And it was just this horrible mix. That was mainly affecting very negatively, the Working Class People. So that's kind of, I guess, a little brief what's going on turkey and I'll pass it on back to Air and let Continue sure. I wonder too. If I might ask a brief question, if we can move to this level, I'm what what are some of the types of resistance people are developing to this gift pain. And and also what is the degree, perhaps of a violence that's being used to try and put down this resistance. All right. Well, that's exactly what I was gonna go. Next was so yeah, that's that's kind of this. Just to give people a little bit more. Standing of how, you know, we feel things are going and where the were the world's at. So fortunately there's a really beautiful resistance to all these policies and for a long time at these things really haven't really been in the public eye. But in at the WTO meetings last November and December and Seattle. Things really came out in a big way and a lot of people were kind of surprised. They haven't really been following it. But for me, who's, you know, I've been acting pretty active for You know, almost eight years now. Dan. And I go back to the squatting scene of the Lower East Side and early 90s and and I really felt, it was a culmination, you know, of a lot of people's efforts over a lot of years because we have a lot of us, you know, have been talking about these issues. We just haven't really been getting, you know, the media coverage and whatnot. So I really felt like the whole convergence in Seattle, was it was really exciting and was it wasn't just something that just came out of the blue was definitely other All of lot of hard work by a lot of people and it felt like kind of like almost like a combination now that it was an ending but kind of like a culmination of efforts and so getting back to like how I live and how it ties in with how I live. So basically I was working on this really awesome revolutionary. Organic food Collective last year up in Maine called Victory. Gardens project that grows food and solidarity with us, political prisoners of which there's at least two hundred probably. Upwards of three or four hundred and then if you want to, of course include the drug war prisoners, we're talking, you know, several hundred thousand or a million or more and if you want include economic prisoners, you know, we're talking about almost everybody except a small percentage. So but basically we focused on the political prisoners and prisoners of war that came out mostly from the 70s and early 80s and the late 60s that were involved in Revolutionary movements like the Black Panther Party and the Black Liberation Army. And so we had grown a lot of food and we Are in the inner city neighborhoods along with information about these political prisoners and we had a lot of food left over and there was a caravan of people go off from all over the world that was going to Seattle together and it was organized by really cool Network called The People's Global action. And that's a network of activist organizations from around the world, who came out of the first WTO meeting in Geneva, which was a 1998, which I got a little press, but it didn't get a lot of press, but a lot of people I went there and we're pretty active in trying to say that they weren't down with what was going on inside the meeting Halls. So this network of Global Network of activists formed called people's Global action, and they decided to have a caravan across the US. And so basically 16 of us from nine different countries came together. We got a school bus and we drove across country and we stopped about 20 people, 20 different cities and towns along the way and doing presentations and those people from India, Pakistan bull. The Panama Israel, Germany, London, Canada Venezuela, so they're basically I'm and there's also people who were supposed to be coming from Nigeria. Who got their visas got denied and also Nepal and their visas got denied. Interestingly enough, the darkest skin people had the most problems with the immigration and getting papers, or surprise surprise racist America strikes again, but anyways, um, so we had a really great experience traveling across country together, learning how to live together. We had, you know, radical vegan activist from Israel. We had hardcore meat eaters indigenous, people from Panama. We had Professor from India. We had a, you know, basically a squatter from London, so, we had this kind of really cool mix of people living on a school bus together and traveling across the country and educating people and encouraging to go to Seattle. So we got to Seattle and I really think the organization there was was really beautiful, was that it's kind of like a whole new idea of the idea of converging, you know, will Converge on a place and we kind of not so much take it over but just kind of like put our own flavor to it and definitely going with the purpose of, you know, shutting down dealing with the problem head-on, you know through direct action. So shutting down meetings that capitalists or these. These

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We'll have that they've been able to have for so long. So we went there and we went to the convergence Center. We had like a center kind of like a warehouse space and I was so exciting everybody working on all these different projects. Like, you know, anything from making puppets to having a workshops of how to like, blockade, effectively the streets to, you know, how to like maintain a non-violent stance in the face of violence, you know, video and media workshops are educating people how to how to use Cameras and little tips about videoing things. And so all these different knowledge was being imparted and shared and all these cool props and Banners and stuff. We're being created. All just one space. It was really upgrade. Excuse me. And so um, so yeah, we took it to the streets on November 30th, and we ended up making world history by just not really by because we were so organized or have these I mean we did have some really good plans and effect and I don't want to like say that Wasn't important. But really the most important part of the day that what eyes from what I saw was just the number of people, thousands of people willing to stand up and say no more and willing to get in the streets lock arms and not do anything. You know, there was like people who use lock boxes and tripods and other techniques that are little more, you know, complex, but for the most part, it was just the hundreds and thousands of people that locked arm and arm and said, no, we're not going to take it anymore. And it was really exciting during the the four days there that I was in the streets. I was beaten. I had a rib broken. I was tear-gassed. I was pepper-sprayed. I was shot with both pallets and projectiles, wooden and rubber and so all that stuff happened to me within a period of two days and it was the best two days of my life just because people were just standing strong in the face of it and I was standing with them and it felt really good and I feel we were really effective. So I'm yeah, I just wanted to share that. People. And what I'd like to do now is maybe play a song and then we got some PSAs public service announcements after that and that are some kind of something and then we're going to try to call somebody who's been working on the living wage campaign, Cynthia Maxie. So, okay, what's going to get us? Set up this music situation. So one thing I do also, my life is play music. Play a lot in the streets at farmer's markets and it's a big part of who I

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am. So I'm going to play a song, not one of my own. I'm going to play one by a friend of mine, whose name is David relevant. And he's got this really great album called. We just want the world. And this is off that album. It's called contras Kings and Generals and it talks about the sanctions and the bombing of Iraq. And it's not something we hear about a lot these days. But the sanctions and I think this all ties into with the whole Global owning globalization seen, because One thing that that capitalism needs and actually, Dan, and I were just talking about this the other day is there's one thing. It really depends on more than anything else and that's the oil. You know, it's oil is involved in everything from Transportation chemicals fertilizers Plastics, you know oils basically the grease that creases, the capitalist machine, these days. So they had a war for oil. About 10 years ago, in the Persian Gulf and they're still having it. And the sanctions are still in full effect, even though almost every country in the world, even though, you know, even the countries that aren't really radical or anything. They're basically saying these sanctions are really bad news, but the US and Britain, especially have been adamant and keeping these, not only keeping the sanctions in place, but continuously bombing Iraq, including, you know, probably in the that I'm sure I heard of the last time, they definitely had bombed a couple weeks ago. I don't. Know if they bomb this week, but they're not even really making the news anymore with it. It's just like kind of happens regularly. So this song is kind of talks about that situation. Maybe we could all have somebody on the levels listening in. So Missiles flying. People stand it on falling over. Baghdad question. What is 1 million? nourished baby, you and sanctioned harm missiles flying from Hanoi to Called trolls Kings and missiles. Flying. Missiles flying in the so-called. So, here's to the day this one. Thank you are well. I think what we're going to do now is try and get, try and get Cindy Maxi on the line we could.

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Um, also maybe give a minute just to kind of tie all these things. We've been talking about into the local, the living wage issue. Sure that it up for her like that. Yeah, you know what, that's a good idea and that's what I was just about to do. We were just talking about the globalization and the impact of the globalization. Different economies, including turkey today. I think what we would like to do is bring a Cindy Maxi, who's been the director of The Campaign against the living, in support, rather of the living wage campaign. And that is in part, what the process of globalization is. What is doing in Turkey where Chris was talking about driving wages down and creating a situation where people are unable to actually make a decent decent living because of the amount of money. They're having to spend on rent and food that we're in fact, finding the same things going on here in Cleveland, and there's a local group that's been very active in trying to get an in, trying to get the city council to pass what's called a living wage ordinance. Now, instead of me actually telling you all the details today. You have Cindy Maxi on the line, and I believe, I believe, if she can hear us, that we will see if she can tell us what's going on with a Cleveland living wage campaign. Cindy. Are you there? Okay, let's see if we can get this a little louder. Okay. Are you there? Okay, you're on the air? I'm maters for the living wage campaign. The campaign is a coalition of Labor religious and Community groups. We started out as a response to so-called welfare reform and seeing more and more of working people in our society, being the Working Poor and we began about two years ago Gathering. The Coalition is people to bring it to the point. We are Today, which is that city council is going to help hold a committee meeting / hearing on this Friday and hopefully will vote on the ordinance. This coming Monday, the 19th at 7 p.m. At Cleveland City Hall. And I'm hoping that a whole lot of people will come down to watch this happen, be part of the historic moment and help us celebrate. Now, Cindy for the listeners, who may not be familiar with what the living wage is. Could you give us some of the

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details? The living wage ordinance, would require businesses that get sizable contributions from the public purse from City monies. That the might be tax abatements, direct subsidies low-interest loans, building assistance get at least 75, thousand dollars of that, kind of assistance. Or have a 25 thousand dollar contract for labor. They would have to pay their workers, a living wage that amount hasn't entirely been settled on but our campaign is looking for something that would raise a family of four, over the poverty line. We'd like to see 10 and a quarter. It also would strongly encourage businesses to provide health care benefits for families of workers. Those would be the two big pieces. Great. Great. Okay. And again, could you tell us those our listeners out there who want to come out and support again? Could you remind them where we should meet next Monday and what time Cleveland City Hall, which is 601, Lakeside downtown Cleveland at 7:00 in the council chambers. Hopefully, we'll be there to celebrate a positive vote. We do expect that if this goes to vote, we will win. But if it gets delayed, it's even more important that we have a big crowd. Of citizens to show city council that there is huge support for this and they need to move it to the top of their priority list. Fantastic. And one last question. Do you, could you give us some information about how those of us who are interested in getting involved in this Coalition? Some phone numbers or people we could get in touch with?

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Yes, you could call me or Or Nulty or Steve Kagan at the jobs with Justice Office. It's four four zero three, three, three, six, three six three. I should say that jobs with Justice, has ongoing campaigns to improve the working conditions of working people of particularly of low-income working people in the area. Fantastic. And again, that was four four zero three, three, three, six three six three. Okay. Thank you Cindy. We really Okay, bye-bye. Okay. Again, we are back here in the studio. And if there are any other callers out there, who would like to ask a question, we have are in the studio. We were talking about globalization. We were just recently, Cindy Maxi gave us an update on the living wage campaign. We also have Crystal here, who can talk about some of the international effects of globalization and specifically, some of the things he was talking about of what's going on in terms. Key, so, if you like to ask us, bring some questions to the table, give us a call 368 2208 again, 368 2208. Now one

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thing I'd like to say is that the whole globalization trip is one way. We really like 211 picture. We like to paint that to really that I think is really accurate is basically, it's a race to the bottom and by getting every country in the world. World to open up and get rid of its laws like labor laws and environmental laws. Basically, the corporations are, you know, seeing who's going to give them the best deal? Where can they pay the cheapest wages? Where can they flout the most environmental laws, or where's they're the least environmental laws. So, basically it's a race to the bottom and it really encourages wages to decline. I think, in this country, the level of wages now is, I don't know. The Like statistics, but the real, what they call the real earnings is something like it was 30 years ago or something. So it's basically stagnated, while of course, everything else has gone up and of certainly, the salaries of the CEOs have gone way up. And so it's really a race to the bottom. And I think the living wage campaign is really important. I think that's such a basic, right? If people are working, you know, there's so many people working right now, especially like, you know, just at the worst jobs, the temp agencies that they're not people aren't even making enough to really call, you know, to cover their rent and their food and I think that's just ridiculous. Now, the flip side of that though is let's say if this living wage passes, which I totally supported and I hope it does but because of the you know, WTO, it's just going to make it easier for corporations to go other places and pay cheaper wages. And so in some ways it's going to just encourage them to do that. Now that not that I mean, Totally support people struggling and fighting for a living wage. I'm just saying like we have to struggle to against the whole picture because otherwise they're just, you know, they're just going to go somewhere else and sure. Now, one of the very interesting points are last week's caller May our last week's guest Ralph pack made was that he's working in the temporary agencies and often times when he gets off of work, where they dropping the workers off. What are their homes under the bridges? Is at one of the public hearings that was downtown at City Hall. Many of the questions that were asked, are one of many of the points that were made by some of the women who are testifying special. Especially the ones who are actually, cleaning the downtown office Towers cleaning the new stadium facilities that are being built. Are you know, we often hear that all these tax abatements are necessary to bring jobs to this area. But what kind of jobs are Bringing are these kinds of jobs that we can really raise a family on or these kinds of jobs where you're going to work, eight hours a day, come home, exhausted, and maybe even more. And oftentimes people are working overtime. And in the temporary labor, agency case is not even getting paid for overtime coming home. Not if they have a home and, you know, being totally exhausted and burnt out from this work without anything really to show for it. So, in many ways, this is what, you know, what we are talking about, you know, if you're not going to give us jobs with living wages. Then what we're going to need to do in addition is to build these networks that are was talking about at the top of this, at the beginning of the show, where we can really start supplying for ourselves and decreasing. Some of our dependence on the corporations that are are kind of keeping us constantly in this fear, that they're going to take stuff away from us. I think that's Really key Point definitely. One thing I want to mention is that mean for those of you in Cleveland testing. Most of our listeners are, if you kind of want to see an example of the impact of globalization and specifically the kind of globalization we're talking about today, which really started kicking in in the 70s. If you go over to the Slavic, Village area, Broadway and 55th, you'll see you know, what was a really vibrant working-class neighborhood that now in the, you know, in the 70s, we have all these These corporations and manufacturers pulling out the area and sending their labor into other cheaper, labor markets, outside of our borders and you just you can see very plainly like how this community has been decimated. I mean, people, you know, everything from the you know, structures or dilapidated, not all of course, but there's like a lot of dilapidation going on in the buildings and you have just a general kind of sense of helplessness amongst a lot of people that is having really negative impacts on the way. We live one. I want to say to is a lot of people that are getting into this anti-globalization movement, you know, are the unions and stuff. And rightfully. So because, you know, people are trying to protect their jobs and look out for themselves at the same time. I think what I've noticed too is a tendency to kind of in some ways blame the victim or not, you know, it's important to build International solidarity and recognize that the borders that exist, you know, are totally artificial. And They're totally should not be respected and people should be allowed to go. You know, I feel people should be allowed to go wherever they want. And as long as the money's going north, I think, you know, it's ridiculous to tell the people. They can't go north as long as the resources and the money's going north. So yeah, and I think that's one of the major ironies of NAFTA. And some of these are recent free, trade agreements. Is that while they are encouraging and easing, the Restrictions on the movement of capital. At the same time. They are making it much harder for labor to move across borders. And that will show you a many ways kind of with our that's what's many people, call captive labor, labor markets in that if they decrease the area, the labor, the wages, and the conditions in a certain area, then they'll move the the factories there. And then at that time when those people start organizing, they'll move the factory. He's away from there. And at the same time, prevent those workers from moving, along with some of this movement of capital and some of the movement more importantly of the resources

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race to the bottom. So yeah, we got about 10 minutes left. I'm really interested to hear people's thoughts comments. Maybe somebody's out there is totally in favor of all this stuff and wants to tell us that we're full of it. Give us a call 368 2208. And again if you are opposed to it, you Also call as well and give us some of your thoughts and ideas about why you are opposed to globalization. And again, if you have any questions to of of our guests are or Crystal or myself, they incur, you can give us a call to 11, another comment. I guess I wanted to make, we another guest of ours that we had two weeks ago. I, I believe two or three weeks ago. Dave, the homeless president was talking about, was talking about, you know, when he heard about this stuff with World, Trade Organization and Seattle. His first thought was, wow, they're doing the same thing over there that they're doing right here and they've been doing to us for the past 30 years and you can see some of the actual even though as are was pointing out. A lot of these, this phenomenon has been occurring for over centuries. You can see some of the same phenomenon. Impact in neighborhoods, like Slavic Village impacting the neighborhoods. Like the Huff Village, the Fairfax neighborhood. Tremont, Ohio City all across the city central neighborhood. So, you know, we can see the impacts and the effects on the just City landscape here in Cleveland. Do you have a cop point? You want to make there are? Well, I was just going to say, we got about 10 minutes left. So I wonder maybe finish off with a saw. Song. So, I don't know if you had an announcement to you had to make or no. No, we've covered the announcements and we can make some more as we go along. Everything else that you'll hear is, you know, just on top of what is necessary. So again are will are is going to play a song. If you want to give us a call while. He's playing a song when he's finished. Maybe we can get you on the

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air. Well, I was thinking will close out with it. Okay. Well we still have about five minutes. So maybe we could I'd like to talk about, you know, some of the positive. Things that people could get involved in to deal with these situations. So I think one of the really good positive example here in Cleveland is food not bombs, which is every Sunday at 4:00 4:00 ish 4430 at Public Square. Another really exciting thing. That's just kind of getting in the gut going phase is a rose water 2000 project where people are being encouraged to take back abandoned buildings and spaces and make make themselves, you know housing And Community spaces to gather and stay dry. Sure. Another, another thing is, to Cleveland living wage campaign or jobs with Justice with Cindy Maxi called earlier. And another thing that we like to see get off. The ground, is a labor Cooperative of kind of something that is run by the workers themselves to bypass. Some of these temporary labor agencies, that are kind of Really depressing some of the wages and creating miserable labor conditions.

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I think a good example that not to get to commercial but a really good example, of a worker owned Cooperative here in the city, is the tortilla police really awesome. Central American restaurant, that's worker, collectively owned, sure, and if you are interested in dealing with some of the issues of undocumented, In Street and try and get in contact with some of the folks there and ask them about the labor. The organizing campaign with undocumented workers in the state of Ohio and Kentucky. And we will try and bring someone who's involved with that campaign on the air in future weeks. Also, I've noticed, you know, there's quite a few community gardens around. There's a lot still a lot of open space left at a lot of empty lots like old industrial sites. Could be Garden. I judged. So, there's a lot of good positive things that could be done around that, and that are already have been done around that and that's really exciting. Especially coming spring season, starting to see stuff bust out right on. Yes. Yes. Whew, if you have any comments, you'd like to direct to myself. You can regarding the radio show or any of these issues that we just do organizations or or movements that we just talked about you. You can give myself a call to 1669 for 2169. That's 69-42 169. For those of you who are who are connected to the computer. We do have an email currently. You can email us at Dr. Canine. @P 0. C WR U dot edu. That's D. RK 9 at po dot C, WR U .e. You, or you can again go down to food, not bombs, Max at. That's actually a place where most of these shows get organized on Sunday, afternoons, around 4:30. And you can try and find either Chris myself or just talked to some of the other folks who are out there. There's a lot of interesting things being said, we strongly encourage people to come out, bring food bring, you know musical instruments bring art projects. Get some art going on, you know, even if you want to kind of set up a little stand information booth or all kinds of things, you know, we're trying to create a situation where all kinds of things are

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shared. So here we go are. All right. Well, I want to thank y'all for having me and thank you all for keeping this video. So going sure thing about some other views out there to the public. Hopefully, next time you come through the city, we can get you on again here. Thank you. Other another movement that I'm a part of is a, there's a bunch of us who feel? It's totally vital that we put the Earth First in our actions and our thoughts. And one thing we do is we do direct action in defense of the earth, which are mostly includes things like dries. It's sitting in trees so they can't cut them down and road blockades, so they can't get there in the first place. Yes. Here's one of our theme songs. I think it sums up a lot of things, pretty good. It's a by a friend Dale Journey. He was actually bombed for expressing, some of these kinds of ideas by the corporate industrial state, but he's made it through still singing. You contain thoughts killing the tree. Disrupting everything, that lives in

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paint. Our animal friends are on the wrong and there's nowhere to go. When the job is done, most will stand by and watch it all take place. We've got to stop this inhuman. No compromise, no compromise. No compromise. No compromise. No compromise. In defense of my mountains by the top on picking up that uranium. Bald eagle. Looking for a place to land. It's all gone for nuclear. Plant must be boys. And I want just a cook a piece of toast or blow-dry. No compromise, no compromise. And I'll need a species of this Earth. This land is yours. Ride a bull. But the corporation cast and the sea. The way that things was meant to be sisters and brothers are dying every day while we drink our coffee, and look the other way. How many cups did you have today? No compromise. No compromise. No compromise. No compromise. No compromise. Don't, you know, that's gonna come a time when the tables will determine welfare with the answer for us and we're honest. So, how can we make up for all the sticks? The answer is whatever it takes the pen is mightier than the sword hoard, but a monkey wrench, can do a whole lot more. The revolution is just around the bed will mother. I'll be off all our you're prepping compromised thing about that. No compromise. That's right. No compromise. No compromise. No compromise. Your defense on mother first profit. Last first corporations. Last Earth First and the people who run bursts. No compromise in defense of my mom. Forget to, thank you. All right, but we may actually get some bonus time in here. You are. Listening to WR U. FM Cleveland broadcasting from the campus of Case, Western Reserve University. We are sitting here with are and I believe we can actually maybe go into some more details if that's okay with

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you. So, I'm really I'd like to hear somebody call in, you know, like, aren't you all nobody's out there that has no thoughts that they want to put out their challenges or back us or tails down. Actually. I actually maybe our bonuses, huh? I'm in last chance you got. All right. Well, maybe if I think we might have a couple minutes, but I just also wanted to say, are has been involved with some of the Tri-City no movement and some of the movement to prevent some of the both old-growth forests. And some of the areas that are surrounding the old growth forests in California. On the northwest. He has has Basically, well actually maybe I can let him just say a brief few words on that. Maybe some of the how that kind of fits in with some of the issues of globalization. Is that

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possible? Yeah. I really quick. I'll just say that, you know, I think basically it all can be summed up with, you know, the whole deal can be summed up with, like, people know what's right? And people know what's wrong. And what's right. What's right? Is community. What's right, is nature. What's right? Is the earth, what's right? Is, you know, the goodness in people and what's wrong is greed and exploitation. Boy, tation and tearing down the planet, and not treating the planet, right. And not treating the people, the planet, right? And exploiting, the people, and the planet. And so, what's exploitative is, you know, not right. And what feeds life as, right, and what feeds death is wrong and I think that sums it all up and there's a bunch of people out there that are taking action to and they're defending the Earth. They're defending themselves. They're defending people, and they're defending. If and then there's, you know, there's a few people out there that are profiting and they're not really many, but there are some and they're profiting off, death and destruction. And so, we just got to basically stand up for what we, what we feel in our hearts come together. Don't forget to give your loved ones, you know, to let your loved ones know that you love them, because that's really what it's all about in the end and just carry it on, you know, and it's in with the it's within each one of us. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Are stay. Tuned and listen to the next until 2:00. We will be with cover your eyes and try to remember with Kevin.