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Don't talk Broadband video these people for real, you know, plan your Frost kicking these people. All right. Well, I want to welcome everybody to another installment of frost radio for the crystallization of new ideas. I'm in the studio today. We have like 0 collaborator, Dan Kerr, and we have a special guest Charles gist. He's coming in from well, we've met him through food, not bombs downtown, but for those more frequent listeners who might remember? Charles he called several. Shows ago, and we had a interchange exchange of ideas between the collar and Robert. And Robert here is a man of many talents. He's a local poet artist musician. Dancer. What's that? I'm sorry, but Charles I got confused with because when we had the energy exchange of ideas between Charles and the collar that was on Robert show. That's the confusion. So why don't if you already give a little introduction to yourself and maybe explain because, you know, some of, you know, why, you know about homelessness in Cleveland and what you see, what may have led you to come across. These various events will talk about today. Alright, go ahead. Well, my name is Charles and I consider myself an activist. And from what I've seen in the city and on the nose, I don't particularly like what I see, and so, I decided to get involved with food, not bombs, and I see a lot of people who are suffering in the city. And they don't have a voice. And people in the government supposedly supposedly, who are supposed to be for everyone. They don't particularly care. So OK, one idea. I had thought about in terms of a kind of topic for this show would it well is going to be the relationship between homelessness and say homelessness and poverty and religion. And in this, you know, current agenda by the government. It was with the kind of destruction of the whole welfare system is to replace that support that the government was providing, have it replaced by voluntary. In the most notably, the church and so we're seeing is cut back and Welfare, and then the churches are supposed to step up and provide welfare and various, you know, benefits or Necessities for people who are in need and on a previously. On the previous show. I referred to earlier, there was a caller who can't call them and then Charles enter this conversation about, you know, what's going on in these new or, you know, this new order in terms of What the churches are doing and how the churches are providing or people who are in need. So Charles, why don't you this kind of recap? If you can, what happened in that last conversation on the, you know, when you called

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in? Okay, as far as I can remember, a caller called in, he said he attended First Church down on East 30th and what I was saying that for what I could see. Well when I was walking, One day I saw this homeless person. He walked in the church and he said that he told the people there that he wanted to worship. So he walked in and a security guard there. He extorted him out. And so the caller said that, well, maybe this homeless person was very belligerent and you know, this than the other, but the guy was not belligerent, he walked out very quietly and he left, I never saw the guy ever again and from then on, Owen, I saw what was going on, and in fact, every time I walk by first church, that's all I see and their parking. Lots is lexus's, BMWs Mercedes and I see all these different expensive cars and the parking lot and yet and still, and then later on in the day, like, around 7:00 or 8:00. The only way they will allow homeless people into the church is through the back. When everyone has left. These rich people or well-to-do people have gone away, and then they'll let them in on the side and then they'll give them hand them a sandwich or a stale sandwich or whatever. And then but no they can't worship with those other people. But the thing of it is, if they were to read their Bible, Jesus Christ said, you're not supposed to make distinctions between which rich or poor, Greek, or Jew, or anything. But yet. And still the only people I see go to that church is Is people with Mercedes BMWs and all these lexus's, mmm in the parking lot? And I didn't appreciate the caller calling me ignorant because he does not know me. And if he lived where I live, which is, you know, in the area of 30th, he could understand what I'm going through, but which they won't try to understand what I'm going through because they won't even visit where I live. Because they think everybody down there is what a criminal crackhead or whatever, they think they are. And so instead of trying to judge someone. Why don't you try to put yourself in someone else's shoes and try to figure out what they're going through before you make judgment on anyone else and saying that they're ignorant or they don't know what they're talking about and this, that and the other now, which, which church is this? I is it the one down as United. Church math is charged. I'm the one across from Chuck. The 50k. And are they under new leadership or something? I don't know if

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you know their Pastor or whatever you call. It is Kenneth Kenneth Chalker. He's been there since you know, I don't know when because I used to go to that church. He baptized me shoot when I was like 19 years old and I for some reason I just stopped going to that church. And after I saw that, oh, no, I would never return to that church over again. In fact, I do now. It's that and heat. He don't even have the About me going to that church. And this is the same church that built the fence. Yes. Yeah. No, it's different Church. No, I think the church that built. The fence is the one over on Superior by the welfare building over there, a different. A different church. I was thinking about and just for a little side. Note in terms of today's topic for the show, that that church, that I just prefer to mistakenly was is the is a church. And I don't recall the exact name, but they have built a probably 6 to 8-foot fence that cuts to the middle of the front steps of the church to prevent people from sitting on the front. Steps and kind of hanging out and it was in reaction to supposedly some incidents that were occurring down on the steps that were homeless. People were sitting around kind of hanging out. And so there's some various problems and they fenced it off in their act of Goodwill to the community. So I mean is there. I'm trying to think of you some other examples of maybe how you know, the the churches are trying to see what's happening as the church is step up and provide welfare for people. Well, you know what, it was an answer that it was earlier this year. I think it was last year around December or I can't remember right now, but the particular church I'm talking about everyone is familiar with it because Mike why he was standing on there. Have you know that charge I'm talking about now and with Kenneth Chalker in the background and talking about the homeless and this that and the other and and we didn't mean to do this to the homeless and and we care about people and all this type of stuff. What if he cares so much about people? Why is it that when you go downtown? That's all you see, you know, the only people that can go to Jacobs Field or any of these other type businesses as people with money with a whole lot of money and like I'm not rich and I'm not poor either but I would like to attend those games and stuff like that, but I can't get in there. And so if he's for the people and if he's for the city and of the city is doing so great. Then how come? Everyone can't be an included but I don't see this going on. Okay, and we talked earlier today about some incidents. You also had recently down on Public Square and we talked a little bit about that was happening with some with giving donuts and coffee

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out. Well anyway. Well, I have to have coffee and donuts. So I would I would I go downtown. I don't know why I did this but I just went downtown one day and it was just a particular church. I don't know who they are. But they're affiliated with the Assemblies of God. I don't know the particular name of their church, but there were out giving coffee and donuts to the I'm homeless or just anyone who particularly wanted, you know, they would give it to them. They don't refuse anyone. And so one day, I guess it was around noon time. It's this particular woman. I don't know who she is. She stands down there with a microphone. She pricked publicly preachers. Like it's a, you know, outdoor preaching Festival, you know, like in the olden days and you know, with that Brimstone and and all that type stuff preacher that they used to do what she does. This as she particularly directed to the homeless. And so what she did was I was with a friend of mine and she kind of insinuated that I was, you know, a homosexual that we were homosexual. So I told her I, you know, I started quoting scriptures back to her and then you know that you're not supposed to judge because you don't, you do not know me. And so, you know, she went back and forth. And I can understand why a lot of the homeless people were for her is because see a lot of those homeless people. They probably couldn't read the Bible for themselves to see what she was saying, was misinterpreting and not only that, they probably a lot of them, you know, like I said, I've encountered them. They, they have problems as so, they went along with her, but the thing of it is I don't particularly, like, people going down. You know, mystery and people like that, just because they don't have, you know, education up to where they are, where they think they should be. You shouldn't take advantage of people that's wrong. You shouldn't go around trying to get people into your church, because you think they're this that and the other and you got to stay there solves that woman can't couldn't even save her on solid even if she tried. So why would she sit up there and try to publicly denounce somebody and him? Nearly eight, somebody in front of everyone but see she doesn't know. God was judging her right then and there in front of everybody. So whatever she said about me that stuff reflects right back on her and what she said that I was doing what she supposedly said, what I was doing. She did not know if I do these things or not, whatever she's doing, it's found out and everybody will know it. So she thinks she's having some, she's not hiding it. In fact, I don't have anything to have, so, whatever she got to say, keep saying it. All right. Well, I just want to remind everybody that this is frost radio, and if anybody wants to call in, and have any questions, you want to join the conversation, you can call us at 368 to 208 and that's the area code 216 368 2208. And Charles. I was wondering what what are some of you know, the other people who've you been hanging out with downtown and whatever? What are the reactions to wear this kind of thing. Like how do they feel about it? Well, a lot of them, they're kind of afraid to speak up. You know, they don't want to. I don't know what the reason is behind it, but they don't. Maybe they can express themselves too. Well, how they feel? But a lot of them are disrespected a whole lot. I see that so much and and particularly, I see them disrespected by people who are supposed to be in, help of them like staff members at shelters and And food kitchens, you know, they are disrespected by people like that and I've actually witnessed this. I mean, and they're supposed to be helping these people and they're supposed to be understanding but yet and still do disrespect. I'm so bad. And so, you know and then a lot of these people who do these things, they're supposed to be religious groups and all but you're supposed to be a religious group. Well, why would you disrespect somebody that bad? I know, you know, it says in the word that you're supposed to treat people, you know. You would like to be treated to love your neighbor. But yeah, they would, I mean, to say some of the most nasty things to them. And so I just don't understand it, but they're not practicing what they preach. I know that much and we talked earlier, also about another experience, you had down the City Mission and I don't think a lot of people out there, understand, you know, if you are, you know, become homeless or living on the streets or just, you know, you need help of some sort and you go to these organizations. Options, what you have to go through in order to get aid from them. Can you explain a little bit about the City Mission and what, what happens down there?

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Well, one time, well, you know, everybody has you know, situations, they go through. So like I was in particular, need, I wanted to have something to eat that day. So I went to the City Mission and I asked him, I said, well, could I eat with you? And so the guy told me, he said, well, we do allow people in here to eat with us, but the only That you can't come in here. If you go to service, you have to worship with us and you have to do, you know, and whatever. And I said, well, why do I have to worship with you to, you know, receive Services? I thought, you know, you were supposed to accept anybody. Well, he said, we have rules here and these are our rules. And in particular I saw these two guys, they were in there and there were supposed to be homeless. But the thing of the of it is these guys didn't even look homeless. They were very well dressed. And if you if you didn't even, you know, if you wouldn't have known it, you wouldn't even know these guys were homeless. This is how, you know, regular or particularly whatever they call normal that they look. And the guy was telling them all you're going to get in here and this that and the other, and we're going to get you a job and this that and the other. But you must attend services and do what we say and this, that and the other. And then the guy said, well, I have to go out here and to my car, to my Nissan car and get this. That the other out of my car is that all you got a car. I said, and the other guy said, yes, I have a car and I'm from California. And and the thing of it is, why would he pick him out? And some other guy that would like to get in there if he was shabbily dressed couldn't get in there, but I wasn't sure. I believed rest. I just wanted to have something to eat, you know, that day that particular day. And so I said, well, how come I have to worship with you to get something to eat? And so he said well, we have Rules and this these are rules. So I said, okay. Thank you. Goodbye. And I kind of Wonder. I I mean, if we're going to talk about the welfare system being cut back or destroyed and these churches taken over in terms of providing support for people in need. You know, what, kind of things will people have to go through in order to get support. Why we do this? We're going to break off and play a little music for a second here. And as for remind everybody, if you have any questions or comments or that previous caller, who had the conversation with Charles several weeks ago. You want to call back and join back in and continue the conversation, please do our phone number here at w. Ru W is 216 368 2208. That's 368 2208. Well, it does get cold and dreary in this big city and it's part of life that sometimes, there's just no pity

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skyscrapers reach to exploit the skies profit motive. Don't give a damn. If you live or die, you throw your hands up in the air, and you wonder why, why freedom justice and equality are such a lie, such a liar for you. When you're constantly black and blue and you just don't know what to do. He is about your inner light when no one gives a flying Funk about you. Apply it, the penitentiary and the cemetery, welcome you with open arms. You've got to make a choice alienation and anxiety waiting for your grass. You've got to make a choice. The coin has two sides, which is not always clear. But you've got to make a choice and see the mornings light in the darkest night. Survive, survive, survive, survive, survive. Survival has to be your way. And though it's hard to see your way survived. The deadly games, they play Survival has to be a way and though it's hard to see your way survived. The deadly games they play survived the deadly games, they play and do. It's hard to see your way and no one wants to. Your say survived the deadly games, they play you hardly get to play or play survived the deadly games, they play to kill your hopes and Take Your Dreams Away. Survived the deadly games. They play survived the deadly games. They play survived the deadly games. They play survived the deadly games, they play. Alright, welcome back to frost radio. And again, I want to remind our listeners. Our phone number here is 368 2208 right now. I'm going to have Robert Reed a little bit of a Charles. Oh my God. I'm so sorry. I'm Robert stuck in my head. For some reason. I'm having Charles read a little bit of his poetry and actually in the past his poetry has been award-winning. He's made appearances on the Joan Rivers show for some of his poetry. So why don't you go ahead and read us a little? Something Charles? Okay. This one is called Brotherhood. You are my brother. Even though we are different color. You are my brother, even though you act like my worst enemy and we disagree. You are my brother. Even when we go to war and kill each other. You are my brother. Why do we hate one another? What we do without each other? You are still my brother? Whether you know it or not, you still want to stop being my brother. All right, right now. Huh has good stuff. Okay. Well one thing I was thinking about we could talk about is kind of move this conversation a little bit towards say Cleveland in the history of the different neighborhoods in Cleveland and the past. We've tried to discuss different topics about. You know, how things were in the past and downtown or how're. You know, things on the near west side or the east side and Charles is a longtime resident of the city. Central Area, so why don't you talk a little bit about, you know, how it was in the past when you're growing up or even stories, your mom. I have told you or something and then talk about how it is now and what's going on over there?

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Well, from what I can see, I've s gotten a lot better but the area where I'm from it's between Cedar and Central. It's like a small area and it's not really well back when I was growing up. It wasn't bad at all. And in fact, it was very very nice. It was about one of the nicest parts of the city. It was just that small cluster in the city. That was real, real nice. And from what I've seen, Has gotten bad. It's gotten a whole lot better from not just in that area. But a whole lot of the area in that area where I'm at. It's been developed because houses are going all the way down the street. And I mean there are some expensive houses. They don't look cheap and they going all the way down the street. And but it's further up where I live at. That's Longwood. I don't know to particular why? I know what goes on through there and you better believe I will not. I will not step foot in Area, Longwood Plaza. For those of you not familiar with Longwood Plaza, you can you can buy anything you want down along with. Well, you know what? I'm terrified to walk through long would I would not if you pay me to walk through law would I wouldn't go through it. So people don't go through Longwood. And in fact, just never mind and everybody has larger every store in the Longwood Plaza. Has the word Express in his title. So you can look like Express Nails Express. Well, you guys split Road and get out.

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That's brush yourself right away out of there because no, okay. Well anyway, it was a very nice area, the area where I grew up and it was called Central Park Place and I still live there and it was real nice. And the people there were real nice and most of the people there were two parents homes, you know, they had children and everybody looked out for the kids, everybody supported the children and it wasn't too much of anything out of the ordinary, you know. Goes on down there, but now, what I see down there particularly, it's a whole lot of single mothers down there and all right. I don't mean to cut you off, but we have a caller on the line here. So I'm going to get this person on the phone and see what they have asked us here. Hold on one second. Hello, there. Are you in? Well, hopefully they'll call back because I just cut them off the line. If you're listening, call back. Jerry. If you could give us a call back, we made an accident really relaxing. That's my fault. Sorry out. There it is. Okay, let Dad handle this phone. I think if all right, one more time, one more time Jerry. Sorry about that. We could cut her off twice. I think we figured out this time. If you can give us a call back real quick. Okay. Well she made out there goes. Okay, here we go. Hello, you there, Jerry. Sorry about that. We're doing good for me. It comes down to responsibility and as I'm looking at news from all over the world, and they Things in the 40,000 children, that died day and the things that happen to our own country. I think that it's people's way of learning responsibility and those folks in the suits that child son, that church, you know, they we become very cliquish as adults too. Well, I'm doing good, you know, so if I'm doing good, everybody else to be able to do it too. And, and we forget what the responsibility is of our Government or our churches. And thanks. I found preaching here. But I'm just at from this for my own sake so that I can get up in the morning and know that where my place is to do something. And I think that we're just F children, we make mistakes and as adults people who are really still children. We have the tools to make really grave mistakes bombs and missiles, and Cassini launches things that are just, you know, mad just completely mad, but we have the power to do that. And I think that we have to we can lose. The identity with the other person that the Bible teaches as a child says that. You know, we are responsible for one another if we ever hope to go anywhere until we do. I think it's and I think we will. Okay. I think I think we will, but we have to go through this learning process. What do you think? Charles? Oh, you're very correct. Very, correct. Okay. You're very correct.

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I think we're very well. I hope the people call in and we can get a discussion on this great. Well, thanks a lot for calling Jerry. All right, Charlie, any more comments on that? I mean, this idea of people. You know, do you think that it will be better at some point and people are learning and learning from their mistakes or? Yes, but you know what? I'ma tell you something if this is a critical time in history because this is the year 2000, right? Okay. We're in the middle either. You're going to go this way. You're going to repeat the past mistakes of the past or you're going to go forward and and go in another Direction. So you have a choice to make And if you keep making the same mistakes, then this world would be no more and nothing. Nothing will exist, you all be going. So either they're going to learn from the past and go in a New Direction and try to open up themselves to a new way of thinking and a higher power or just because God will relation. He will let you go and he will let just let whatever happen and that's what you see. Right. Now, the reason why God is letting all letting all these things happen right now is because people they were not, you know, change the way I thinking and they think a certain way and putting, in fact, we're LED that way through the media, through all types of things. They bombard up, you know, bombard us with all these images and then we see them and we lust after them, and we wanted that's being coveted, you know. You think that's what's going to make you happy, and once you get it, you realize that that does not make you happy. So you find something else to try to make you feel that void and these things material things, whatever that is not going to feel you. You have to go directly to God. You have to pray to him, because that's what I have to do. And I have to realize that because see nothing in this world will make you happy. I love you feel that void spiritually, so if people would stop Thinking on a material Level all the time and thinking that these things will make me happy or this will make me important or this will make me look good on looking on the outer side and if they don't go within themselves and try to find peace within themselves and God and allow him and they have to pray that God will allow his, you know, will to be done in them. And if they don't do that then I pray for the whole world because this world is going to end, believe me. Yeah, I mean, it's pretty vicious cycle there. I mean, if you like your friend down at the City, Mission with the Nissan, I mean, what in three or four years, I cars going to be out, you know, outdated to go and try and get another new car. And meanwhile, he's living in that car because it can't afford

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or other thing of it is this guy if you would have looked at them and you know, I wouldn't have even believed this for myself. If you would have saw him, you would have believed he was homeless and in fact, that guy at the City Mission, you know what he's going to do. He's going To buy that guy. A nice suit. Put those guys on some nice suits and you will not even know that their home is okay, and then they will get a job. And this is what is going on. But see people don't want to believe it. Yeah, it seems like you're also saying that, you know, you can dress them up people or, you know, or you can get a new car, or get a new hairdo, or new nails, or mmm. Keep barking. That's not very. I'ma tell you. Something looks are very deceiving. You think something is one way believe me. You do not know. So I mean, usually the opposite, if you

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think, I mean I've learned so much from some some of my relatives because a lot of them do live in the suburbs. And for what they have told me about their neighbors, what they have seen. I mean, they said there's one neighbor. She didn't even have furniture in the house and she's going down to county Welfare, but see the thing of it is out there. You don't have to be sane. You know, you can do it, a secret, you know, you can do it over the phone. You don't have to go down too. Any welfare and get food stamps and she don't have anything to eat, no furniture. But she has this beautiful Home and Lawn and everything. She get out there mowing the lawn and all this type stuff, but you ain't gonna fool deep. Okay. Well where I am, you know, they want to talk about where I am, you know, but hey my house. I got furniture and Faith, you come in my house and you've been in my house. I haven't you. Yeah. Okay. Nice. Yeah. Okay. Well, you can't judge about where somebody lives how they live and just like you hear that all the time. It's not how you live. I mean, it's not where you live. Is how you live, you hear that all the time and it's true because a lot of times I would tell people if you would go into some of these peoples houses where I live at and then and a lot of these places, you know, in the city and the inner city, you will be absolutely shocked how beautiful and on the inside these houses. And in fact, you would think he was in the suburbs and then you'll turn around and go in the suburbs and going somebody's house. And you were just, I made obvious seen stuff on talk shows and stuff. I mean, just like something just like a tornado went through it. I mean, I can't believe this. Yeah. Yeah. It's like people are, you know these days? And for the past several decades have been dealing in too many externals out there. Well, we were talking earlier about the cedar Central neighborhood. And you talked about, you know, how growing up. It was a nice neighborhood and you're just kind of getting to the present and how it is now and will and kind of comparing the to the past and the present. We want to talk a little more about that.

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The thing of it is now it's getting kind of Click as you know, and I'm just like the lady said, it's a lot of clicks over there. And for me, well where I live at, they called a co-op. I don't know what, if it's not public housing, it some thought and I cannot go into the detail what it is. But anyway, it's like well, say like for example, okay, I have this car and I see you driving in it. Okay. Well, I got to go out least. I got to get a better car than that. So I'm going to go out here and get a second job. And least this car like I do. No, got it going on or whatever and then work myself to death, the try to show you that I'm this that and the other and then I'm going to go out and okay say like if I have on some clothes, you know, like if I had them a lever leather outfit. Okay, somebody see me in it. Oh, well, I'm going to go out and get something more expensive. And in fact, I'm going out to get down a Karen. Some that I can't even afford but yet and still, you know, I got it going on and it's It's silly. Okay, and what about, you know, kind of mentioned briefly about long with Plaza and well, well before I go on, let me mention that for those of you who want to call in. Again. Our number is 368 2208. That's area code, 216 368 2208 and this is frost radio on W. Ru W and Cleveland. Okay. Now Charles you're talking. Out along with Plaza. Little bit. Do you kind of be interesting? I don't know how well, you know the plaza but maybe kind of give a little historical discussion along with Plaza. Like how did it get how it is now? And it was like in the past. Oh my God. I don't know. Why would you ask me something like that? I don't even. You know, what I'ma tell you something. It's been that way for ages and my parents and everybody through the neighborhood. No, you do not go to Longwood. So I don't know too much about the area to tell holly want but the Thing of it is. Is her something? I heard a young lady on television. She said the place has been like that for ages. And in fact, it's getting worse. Well, I would tell you the truth. She was telling the truth. Everything. She said was true. And in fact, if you're Caucasian, don't go to a law would because I'm black and I wouldn't even step foot in law with. So I know Caucasian people don't go to Longwood and I know you're going down there. You're going down there to pick up whatever. Yet whatever. Now I will tell you some go down there again, and you're going to have a surprise. All right. Well, thanks that little warning there. And for those of you who are interested in Longwood Plaza in the Cedar Central Area actually hear that. That Mike White has some some things brewing for a long with Plaza that trying to just redo the whole thing and kind of cleared out and started a new. And so, I guess we can look for some fresh. New tax, abatements coming up in the next year or two as they attract very busy. Various businesses down into that area. Okay. Well, let's do this. I know that Charles has a second poem here. So how do you feel about reading that second

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one? Charles? Okay. I read it. Okay. Okay, the title of this poem is called a pressure from ancient Egypt to the American Shores. Men have ruled over other men, putting them in Chains and buying ditch. No one has escaped. It's treacherous path. From the Israelites to blacks and Jews people have made rulers over others. Different colors different, Creed's red is the color, my blood bleeds. Even though you tried to bring me to my knees. I stand tall and look you in the eye to tell you to your face. Everything you have taught me as a lie. I am half human. I am not a man. I am a baby suppression of, man must say space. All right, that's great. When did you write that was like, when's it coming from? Oh goodness. I wrote this. All I know that, you know, it was a particular time in my life. I was going through a hard time when my mother passed and very hard time. And then for some reason, I just started writing and I wrote so much, but I stop now. I have writer's block, so it, but it'll come back, but I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Our let's talk a little bit briefly. We talk about Cedar Central just for a second more. I'm kind of curious. You mentioned. Earlier, we were talking before, we went on the air. I'm about how a lot of, you know, people who have money or have made money. I picked up and trying to get out of there and and I'd be interested to hear a little more about that kind of explain what you're talking about earlier.

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Well, the thing of it is I see there are certain people when they get opportunities and they get great jobs and everything. The first thing they do they'll move right out in the suburbs and forget about everybody that they ever knew down there. And then if you ask them, oh, where are you from? I'm from Bedford, I grew up in Bedford and knowing that they grew up down there and Central, you know, and, and that area. But you're asking where they grew up, or I grew up in Pepper pie. Grow up here. Mmm, and I mean, so, I know most of those people that you see, if you see them, they have money, they grew up in that area, but they're not going to tell you that they're going to say they grew up somewhere else because they're ashamed of it, but I'm not ashamed because for the simple reason, I'm glad I grew up down there because if I did, I'm strong with them myself and I have so much strength in me from what I've been through that. I don't too much. Take nothing off of anybody. So I will speak up for myself and, and for, and I'm not scared either. I'm not scared. I would go all over, and I'm Not In Fear, And I don't have a gun. I don't have a knife, but I know one thing. I'll be ready for you, if you try to mess with me. But anyway, I don't know why people would just deny, you know, where they come from, or where they're being because, if you don't know where you where you've been, you know, you're not gonna know where you going. Hmm, and the future. Hmm, and I'm Yeah, I just wish people would just try to accept accept themselves except where they've been and accept other people and stop, you know, just looking on the outside because I've seen and you will see this as example. Why do these celebrities they go up here spending millions of dollars trying to look good. I think they all dead and then next thing, you know, they got a bullet in the head, but the thing of it is I look just as good as don't people but baby, it's all. All natural. No, I did not spend on millions of dollars to look like this. Now. Dad created this baby. So you going on out there about them breast implants, trying to look good. No, and you don't look good. Anyway, you need to eat. I need to eat some food. Yeah. Alright. Okay and was I was gonna you mentioned earlier about getting messed with and it kind of popped in my head. You mentioned earlier a little another incident you have no. Yeah, that's Our city. Oh, oh, yeah. So while we cannot give us the lowdown on what's happening to our city and what happened to you? Okay. Well last month. I went to Tower City and I had saw this sign out there and it said, if you're dressed and gang attire, I do not know what they claim or what they consider gang attire is. But I do wear hip hop clothes or what they consider. Hip-hop close, hip-hop fashion or whatever. I wear, whatever I like And I'm not going to let nobody tell me what I should and should not wear. But anyway, I went in there and this, and these police officers and it was a black police officer. He said, you cannot come in here and, and he Frisk me and everything in front of everybody. And embarrass me publicly. Embarrass me in front of everyone. And this police officer. He is very foul language towards me. He use racial epithets towards me. This was a black police officer and he, Everything in the book and then they took me down to I don't know where this was and then they took a picture of me. And then a thing of it is. The after they got through doing that. I had those guys laughing. So bad. It does not make any sense. Now, why would they first? Harass me, and then, turn around and joke with me? And then, as I was leaving, they said, well, if you come back in here, and we will arrest you and take you down and it said, you are banned from here. You will never come in here again, and I did not do anything. The man claimed that I was harassing some warming at Piercing Pagoda. Which I had, you know, I had a legitimate reason for going there because I had a gift certificate and I was trying to redeem it. And this woman is saying, I'm harassing her. She called me a scrub. Thank you woman for calling me a scrub because with Joe JCPenney clothes and Payless shoe stores. You just about a scrub yourself. Okay. So whatever you say about me, it's the same exact thing for you. But let me tell you something, this, these were Cleveland Police. And Mike White has a point about Cleveland police officers. All of them are not the same. All of them are not racist. All of them are not bad, but I'm going to tell you something, this stuff does go on in a particularly goes on in the inner city and where I live. And I see all kinds of guys getting harassed. They don't do anything. And in fact, those young guys really don't have too much to do anyway, because they didn't cut all the programs for them to do anything. So, you know, what they do is they just hang out, you know. No, and whatever. And believe me, those police. They harassed them and I see this constantly, but they don't particularly bother me. I don't know why. In fact, they never have bothered me and I don't know why this is happening, but they never bother me, but I don't know why. I think it's because I don't really hang out that much. That's probably why. But anyway, you know, Mike, White has his points. The police department has their points are the people, you know, but I just wish people would stop arguing and try to find Common Ground instead of well, you're wrong and if you don't agree with me you wrong and shut up and you know, you not gonna get no, we're doing that. You have to find common ground and everybody has the right to disagree because everybody does not think the same as everybody. Thought the saying you would be a robot and you know, you would be controlled by something. So everybody has their opinion. Everybody should be able to express their opinion in this country without being harassed, or possibly be locked up. This is not a third world country. This is my Cuba. All right. Well those of you who are listening, if you want to call in and make some comments, you can call us Frost radio or numbers three six eight two, two zero, eight. And Charles. It sounds like you, you fit the profile down there at our city. You seem to have dark skin.

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Yes, and it's what way is gorgeous. Yeah, you forgot to say it's gorgeous. Yeah, gorgeous dark skin. Yeah. No. I'm not that. Well, just gorgeous. Okay. Yeah. You know, I've actually it's reminds me. I've been wanting wanting to do an experiment down at our city. If you ever notice, if you go into the public bathroom down there, there's all these signs about, you know, not loitering in there and not changing clothes. And I was wondering if, you know, I or somebody else would dress up in a business suit and walk in there and change into a different business suit. If you get any trouble at all, it's only if you have, you know, poor quality closer. Unmatching wardrobe. Okay. We have a caller here. It's let's go straight to ooh that, here we go.

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Hello. Hey, was that beer? You're on there? Good or for the the community? Alright. Well, thanks a lot. All right. There we go. We have a lot of support there. Yeah, and thank you. Yeah, thanks a lot for calling in. Yeah, we kind of like that topic kind of came up today and we were driving here today about, you know, getting out and doing something in the neighborhood or the community and how, you know, your neighbors. Don't. Hmm. Alright, so, yeah, as I was saying a minute ago that if anybody's wants to participate in an experiment to our city, and You know, if you dress like, you know, quote-unquote the homeless profile and walk into the bathroom and try to change her outfit. And but if you walk in there in the corporate outfit and try to change your clothes, what will happen to you. I I suspect you won't fit the profile and you'll walk out of there really safe. And also, I mean, regarding what happened to you at our city. I guess you're, you're lucky was in a public place and if you're in a car on some street with nobody around at night, you know, knows what But it might not at

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all. Yes, shoot doing those Rodney. King number. Oh, oh, I would have been rich with know. You could have it on Joan Rivers and Oprah. Yeah, I would like that too, but I wouldn't want to be beat up but I still would have, you know, oh, yeah, I could have been Rich. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. I'm kind of curious, you know, you've seemed to have seen a lot of things around town, even, you know, It's going on without around that kind of homeless scene and although you're not homeless. I'm just kind of curious. You know, what, what do you kind of feel like you're doing that mean? You kind of want to explore the world out there or I

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don't know what happened. All I know I was going through some certain things where I almost got evicted, but I got out of that and I was having a hard time. I don't know why I was having a hard time, but I was having a hard time and so I just I don't know. I just I fell into this type stuff and I started seeing stuff seeing stuff that was going on, how people was being treated. In fact, I never really noticed it because I just, I guess I'd had my head in the sand, just like a lot of these people out here and I really didn't notice it and I didn't see I was just in to myself, you know, and not worrying about my surroundings, just into myself. And so I had to get out of that and I have to see what other people are going through and have to see what they're going through because a lot of people especially people who have they could be in the same situations that they see these other people in these homeless people in. And just like, I told this guy, you know, the other program, you know, they called in, he's about one paycheck from being homeless and that's a fact. So, you know, you should treat people accordingly, you know, and why would somebody stood up there and call on the cell phone and almost have an accident calling on the cell phone? To get his point across. And then sit up there and say that you know and have these homeless people are you can't worship with us because you're going to try to steal from me, you're going to do this. Just don't bathe. You smell bad and well, I don't know who this guy was. But all he said, was he wanted to worship and he walked in, they escorted him out and he didn't say a word. He's a say a word and he walked right out. I never seen that man ever again. But anyway, I do not understand, and that's why I particularly do not, you know, associate myself with these present religious leaders because to me, they are present there. That's the same people. Like, in the Bible, they call the Pharisees. They're the exact same way as those Pharisees back, then they thought they was dissin that they had all these rules that they were not a hearing to, but they would do these things and public, and have people think that We're doing these things, but they were when they get behind closed doors, they probably was looking at strippers or some what? Anyway, you know, it doesn't matter. You know, I don't understand why don't just be open, be yourself, be open. And I haven't got to the point out. I do not care what anyone says, say what you like that woman, downtown, who I insinuated about my sexuality. Say, what you like woman. You notice me? You notice something about me. So, you know, say what you like you got. I got your attention. Because if I didn't get your attention, you wouldn't have said what you said. So say what you like, it doesn't matter. Yeah. Alright. Well, thanks a lot with that. And you know this for those listeners out there and once you kind of sit back and think about this as the welfare system, gets dismantled. I think it's coming up pretty soon that, you know, people being start being thrown off of it because the 3-year limited or is it three your limit has ended. So, and now, as we move towards these volunteer organizations, in church, based organizations supporting homeless, providing these for homelessness with or just people in poverty. T to really think about you know, what's going on there and I'd actually would be interested in hearing more and learning more about what kind of is the nitty-gritty of this kind of movement towards church based support. I mean, is there kind of be you know, stipulations that they can't preach to people. And I can't force people to go to church in order to get a free meal or what have you. So, you know, if anybody wants to, you know, talk about that. You can call in the next minute or two. Or number is three six eight two, two zero eight. Eight, and if anybody wants to get in touch with Charles, you can email me if you have email, and I can pass a message on to him. My email address is see.