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23 year old transfer student sophomore, and I'm currently the chairman of publications and acting on complaints by some other students. I decided to go down to the circle

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and film with a eight millimeter telephoto lens movie camera. Some of the incidents going on try to get photographic evidence of any rock throwing incidents that occurred, or any other incidents that occurred.

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At the time I was hurt, I had already been through several of the tear gassing incidents and witnessed other incidents at that time, but I was standing on the ramp of Ward circle building, uh, when the when the policemen

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advanced toward the fire hydrant in order to break up the barricade. Uh, at first I thought they were going to go by us, since the thing was about 60 to 80ft further down

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the road, But several of them turned off to the side and began gassing the Ward circle building. And as I turned to leave the area, I was knocked down by a tear gas canister, which hit me on the

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heel. And as I lay there, struggling to get up, an officer walked over with a tear gas rifle and shot me in the foot.

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I don't really know how I got away, but the next thing I remember is being dragged into the center and I was taken to the hospital for treatment. Witnessing the demobilization of the campus radio mobile unit that

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was earlier. That was pretty early. Yeah. Would you like me to comment?

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I would uh, earlier I had been standing, uh, on the same ramp and, uh, very near to me was a telephone installation being used to broadcast the events of the War service demonstration, which I understand had been set up by the WaMu, uh, Newscasters.

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I saw that the police officers were putting on their masks and getting ready to move. So I began filming them. And although my recollection perhaps would be improved by

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watching the films, my reconstruction of the events at this time is that one of the officers standing there pointed across the street to the phone, and about 5 or 6 of the CDU people put down their visors on gas masks and came across the street in a

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kind of a wedge. Of course, the students, as they saw them coming, just melted away. And they I also backed off.

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I had been filming it continuously all this time. But as one of them apparently was making a rush at me, I decided discretion is the better part of valour and cut out. So I don't have the actual attack on the phone on film, but they got

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to the phone, ripped out phone lines and took several of the gas masks, were being used as amusement and retreated back across the street. Retreating back across the street

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with the phone and dragging the tape. You said to me earlier that you weren't particularly in sympathy. No I'm not. What was the purpose of this film?

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Well, I mainly just wanted to take the film from my own interest, but I was in particular upset with allegations that certain particular students had been engaged in rock throwing incidents.

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And so I was attempting to shadow them as best I could to see if I could comment. Before it goes away, I might like to add this is a type of cancer which I was shot in the leg and a bullet type That projectile, and

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I'd say it ran for about 500 yards. This one hit hard enough on a car windshield to flatten and buckle completely. So it's a steel canister.

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It's very hard to. Say the same thing. Uh, this is the type of canister which was fired at me from a rifle from about 15 or 20ft range.

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This particular one was fired at a different time. It hit a car. It, uh, it's a steel canister, and it flattened completely on impact

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and buckled. Here you can see the impact. To get an idea where the force with which these things hit. I witnessed quite a few policemen shooting these things directly at

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students. In the air. And tear gas. Throw it away.

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Fractured arm. We had three people with fairly serious shock. Several cases of nervous hysteria

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we treated outside on the quad. 15 to 2500 students for exposure to gas. We also took in several fairly

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serious lacerations, contusions, burns and abrasions, mostly due to being people being struck by a projectile inspired by the police. There were some injuries caused by people bumping into each other and falling down.

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These were very minimal. We had also one serious respiratory problem, and an asthmatic girl who had been exposed to the gas and was having difficulty breathing.

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My name is Martin Gould and I'm from the George Washington University Law School. I'm a first year I'm from Legal Aid, and we received a call yesterday afternoon saying there was a confrontation with the CDU

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on Ward circle and they needed legal marshals. It was an emergency. Four of us came up here and I just got out of the car, went towards the Ward circle area when

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everything sort of exploded, the gas went off. I was wearing a gauze mask at the time, wetted down so I could go ahead. And I went ahead and I found out

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that several people had been arrested, two people at that point. I got one of their names and nobody knew who the other one was.

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I proceeded further to find somebody with the other name so I could notify our office. As I proceeded, more gas was released and a medic was in front of me.

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So he started gagging and coughing. So I picked him up and we were sort of trying to get out of the way.

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We were down on the grass, right on, I guess, Nebraska Avenue. Suddenly the medic sort of just started fading out, and I looked around the gas and everything in these cdus came towards me. It seemed like they were in slow motion and the next thing I knew,

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I was being taken away, where I met the two people who I was trying to find. Um, we're the fourth, the first three people who got busted yesterday.

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And I kept saying the whole time, I'm Legal Aid, and they kept calling me other names other than Legal Aid. Um, they took me to the van, and just before I got to the band, they ripped off my legal armband.

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They ripped my shirt open. They made me look as disheveled as I could possibly appear for the first photograph they took of me. Then they heed me into the van.

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And as they heaved me, they crashed my head up against the top railing. And I later found out I have a concussion.

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I spent four hours in the jail. People at the jail were fairly courteous, and every kid that I met in there, around 25 that I talked to and advised us to their rights while in the jail, didn't know what they had really done

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other than be on the scene to have gotten to where they'd gotten. All in all, it was just a matter of just being there and being taken away before you realize what had occurred to you. My name is Alex Jordan.

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I'm a graduate student. I had a class at 6:00. Yesterday evening, and I drove into the parking lot and parked my car at about 530.

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I proceeded towards the Ward circle building, remaining on a parking lot. And as I came to the small rise before Nebraska Avenue, I was behind a police line.

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There were no other students around me. A CDU officer looked over and pointed at me. I think I'd been standing there about five minutes deciding what I was going to cross her.

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He ran over and grabbed me by the arm, asked me where I was going, and said I was going to a class and had an exam. I said, no, you're going in a

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paddywagon. Three other officers came over. They grabbed me and moved me from the campus parking lot on a small rise, and was taken across the street and thrown into the

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paddywagon. My name is. What was the charge placed against you? I was charged.

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With disorderly conduct and failure to move on. I might add, I was dressed in a suit and a tie and officers said nothing to me other than where are

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you going? I might start by saying I was teaching the class that he was going to, which we had to cancel because of the problems on Nebraska Avenue. My name is Dr. Strautz, and I have prepared a statement, which I

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had hoped to distribute to the news and to the television and radio people so that I could avoid this. I want. Publicity.

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About as much as the physician who had his heart patient or heart transplant died. I'd like to read it to you. The following is a statement of the events which preceded to my

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arrest on May 11th, 1970. On this date, I was working in my laboratory at room 103, Herst Hall on the American University campus. I was at this time working with two students on research projects

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in the fields of obesity and diabetes. In this laboratory, this was about 6:00 during the student police confrontation at Ward circle. I might add that I have a sizable

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colony of these animals in a small side room which has been developed. These animals have been developed over a period of five years through careful maintenance.

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The police at this time shot several nine, I was told later, tear gas canisters onto the campus between Hurst Hall and Ward circle building and immediately outside my laboratory. The room almost instantaneously filled with a powdery smoke, which

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affects, and this is my scientific observation, the mucous membranes of eyes, mouth and nasal cavity causing a severe burning sensation. Respiratory efforts in myself and

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one standing nearby were impaired, and I then ordered everyone out of the laboratory. We all proceeded to the other end of the building, being caught up in a large group of students also

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attempting to leave this area of high gas concentration. Halfway down the hall, I turned back, returning to the laboratory, and quickly examined the most obese of my experimental animals. All were in respiratory distress.

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A few demonstrating short, quick breathing we call apnea. These particular animals died from the inhaled gases very shortly while I was there.

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In a few moments, it was impossible for me to remain in this room because of the level of noxious gases present. I left and went to the opposite end of the first hall and left the building.

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Here there were several large groups of students standing alongside the roadway, in parking lots and in the grasses. The police civil.

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I understand this is not civil defense unit. Civil disobedience. Civil disturbance units were in the streets along Nebraska Avenue.

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I was angry and frustrated over the loss of several experimental animals, making it impossible to continue this particular work. I then advanced to the curb in

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front of the police unit and verbally protested their indiscriminate shooting of tear gas bombs at the American University campus, particularly in the area of my laboratory. At no time was I abusive, nor did I use language which could not be

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found in any high school dictionary. While in this position, two officers who were on either side aimed guns directly at me as though I represented it represented some demonstrable threat, and I was asked if these

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were tear gas guns or standard revolvers, and I'm not sure. At that point, any gun would look like it had a hole about the size of your fist. Without a word, one officer who I

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found out later was W.R. Chandler, grabbed me by the shirt and gave me a pull toward him. He seized my right arm and forced

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it behind my back. At the same time, another officer took my left arm and with a sudden twist, forced me toward a police panel truck.

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It was at this time I received my first blow alongside of the head. All of this brutality occurred without a word.

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Nor did any officer ask me to move on, to inform me that I was under arrest, or to utter a single word. I was unaware they could talk until arriving at the police station with my apprehensive, with my apprehension.

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Several students attempted to move toward the police, and they, the police, reflexively fired more tear gas in the crowd. One of these bombs exploded nearby because I once again experienced severe burning in the eyes, nose and mouth.

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Also, with the difficulties in breathing, this was ignored by the police and I was pushed into the rear of their wagon, at which time I received my second blow from someone's club. There were two other students in the rear of the police panel at

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that time. We were then transported to Ward circle and transferred to another truck with equal treatment, as occurred during the first load at the police station, which was

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precinct eight. We were placed in a cell in a few minutes later. I first was photographed,

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fingerprinted, and finally charged. At no time. And I like this, especially with the emphasis that's been placed on this very recently.

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And no time was I informed of my constitutional rights. And I understand the other students were not either, nor did I understand until I paid bail what the charge had been, what I was charged with.

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Uh, the charge was disorderly conduct and failure to move on both charges, which I am not guilty. I then returned to my laboratory

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at the American University campus and examined the dead animals. The confrontation was still in progress alongside his call between the police and the students. I then left for home, shaken and frightened by this ordeal.

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I am both apprehensive and terrified of returning to the university classroom of my laboratory after this experience. The following points are summarized. My feelings I am not guilty of the charges issued against me.

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If anything, I am guilty of protecting my property and my work. I was threatened brutally by these men of the police CDU and was intimidated without provocation.

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Police action has caused a severe delay in my research programme, both by the destruction caused by their indiscriminate use of pestilent gases and producing an atmosphere unsafe for creative work.

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This condition has to exist, makes it impossible for me to work and for my students to continue their research projects. My name is Stephen Leeds.

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I'm 20 years old in the sophomore year, currently program director of WaMu Am, the student association radio station. Uh, our campus news staff deems necessary to cover live over the student radio station here.

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Yesterday afternoon. We were outside on the ramp of the Wood Circle classroom building with a telephone unit that we had hooked up as remote feed back to our station to report to the students when they dormitories and

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other officials what was going on outside in the wood circle. Several policemen haven't been able to establish numbers three five. One of them had absolutely no

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badge on any identification. Another was a police lieutenant and another had badge number 2916 came across in the form of a wedge with their gas masks and clubs.

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I saw this and I pointed to them and we all decided we'd leave. One of the students was there, left his knapsack behind.

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Police came across, unplugged the telephone, picked up the knapsack, and then proceeded to pull the wire of the telephone unit, which ran back into the classroom building.

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They couldn't pull the wire, and one of them came out with a wire clipper and did cut the wire, effectively putting us off the air. After this happened a while later, we went across the street and

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spoke to a PR man and several officials. One of the policemen did admit he did it and said he was only following orders. We spoke to Chief Davis and he

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explained that we were the ringleaders of the student strike here, and we were reporting to the gentleman who was on the roof, what the students should do and how they should avoid the police. Gentlemen, on the roof was a security manager, Ralph Dunn.

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Police asked him you were reporting to the students? Well, we asked them, you know, explain to them what we were doing, and we were accused of biased reporting. We do have tapes of the programming.

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At no time was there any slant given. We're just giving the facts that the movements of the police. We didn't get the telephone unit back and the student did not get his knapsack back, which did contain some personal textbooks

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and notes. And he did have an exam this morning. I was told later by the PR man of

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the police department that they could not take any action right now, and we'd have to write them a letter to Jerry Wilson on Indiana Avenue, and with a written statement of some sort, they'd be able to help us out.

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My name is Louis Loeb. I'm a professor of the School of Government at American University. I'm here to represent the point of view of the Faculty Caucus, a group of faculty concerned with the strike.

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A number of us were. On the. Campus last evening while these events took place. As a result of our.

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Observations, we'd like to make three points. I believe the atrocities which and it can only be fairly characterized as such, which the

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students and others have related here point out the serious question raised by the arrest, the many arrests, apparently without provocation, and the principal reason of those students. Last Wednesday and again last night, Professor Strauss, last

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night, of the relationship between the police and the community. This incident seems to require an immediate investigation and a commitment on the part of the university administration to make the strongest possible representations with the

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appropriate governmental authorities. We also believe. Secondly, serious question exists because of the indiscriminate use of tear gas, totally out of

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proportion to any apparent need to quell the disturbance. During the third and last barrage, tear gas canisters exploded in front of Mary Graydon Center, which is being used as a medical center and the law school, among other sites.

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One exploded in Mary Grace. These sites are approximately 75 to 100 yards from Nebraska Avenue, well out of the immediate range of any immediate provocation which might have been taking place,

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leading the police could use gas. The university would seem to have a responsibility urgently to take up with the appropriate authorities.

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This apparent violation. I'm not so sure it's apparent anymore, but it's obvious violation of the civil rights of many persons peaceably assemble on university campus.

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We also believe that the administration failed to discharge adequately its responsibilities towards the students by not warning students of the potential violence inherent in the situation.

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President Williams issued a statement at 645 last night, alleging that the confrontation was engineered by a handful of persons, many of them not students. Without going to the factual basis of this allegation, and many of us

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do not believe it to be true since many of the students involved were students, we do believe that if the administration had this belief that it should have, earlier in the evening, attempted to separate those students who were merely onlookers and who were not

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interested in engaging in violent confrontation, should have attempted to urge them to go back to the dormitories and otherwise leave the scene, see those who wanted to engage in a violent confrontation to do so by not appearing either in the person of

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the president or the numerous vice presidents and the students were recognized and identified. We believe that the administration failed to discharge its responsibility.

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These foregoing three points demonstrate the relationship of the police action to the strike on the campus. We emphatically reiterate our support of the strike and its three goals.

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That is an amendment, an end to American involvement in Indochina, an end to repression of black citizens. Standing as the most recent

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example of the events in Augusta, Georgia, yesterday. And finally, the campus complicity with the government. My name is Bill Cosby. I'm president of the student

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association here at American University. Last night during the incident here on campus, I was on campus walking around viewing the situation as it was occurring. I was also at various times in communication with the president

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of the university and various university officials, I might add. The fact that the statement which President Williams produced at 645, I was not consulted on that statement, so I feel I did not take part in the drafting of that statement.

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I have before me a number of photographs, which were taken by a number of individuals yesterday afternoon here on the American University campus. They're very interesting

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photographs, and I think they substantiate very clearly what we're discussing here at this time. Specifically, I have photographs showing the police coming on campus, uh, apparently just milling around and not and not in

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hot pursuit of any individual. I have photographs of individuals of the police department who did tear out the phone, which Mr. Leeds and other individuals have alluded to.

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And I have two photographs, very clear photographs of the use of revolvers on the part of various police officials on the parking lot across from Nebraska Avenue, uh, in their attempt to apprehend various students at this university.

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Um, yes. Um, The photographs regarding revolvers. These two photographs were taken

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across the parking lot on Nebraska Avenue. If you notice right here, this individual has a revolver. And this gentleman right here also has a revolver. We cannot at this time ascertain whether they are the same

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individuals or whether they are two different people. We're trying to determine that at the present time. This photograph here was taken at the corner of Ward circle, facing the Ward circle building shows the police on campus marching into the

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corner of that building. And here circled, you see the individual running off the campus carrying the telephone, which was ripped out by the police department.

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The smaller photograph shows that individual, that same individual walking across the street, carrying the phone with the phone line dangling down. And this photograph was taken at

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the opposite side down Nebraska Avenue of Ward circle building, showing a number of policemen standing on the campus at Ward circle building. Any other questions?

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My name is Harry Stocker and I'm a first year law student at American University here. Uh, what happened to me was I was crossing the street at the corner of Nebraska Avenue.

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Massachusetts avenue. And then when I got across the street, one of the CDU men said, you're under arrest for crossing the street.

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And he grabbed me. I didn't like that. So I pushed him away. And I shouldn't have done that because there were four of them on

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me before I knew what was happening. Uh, I was beaten up, hit. They were calling me all sorts of names.

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And, uh, before I knew it, I was in a headlock by two of them being punched in the stomach. One of the men bit me in the hand like a dog. And at that point, I gave up through the bracelet on me and

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he'd be head first into the paddy wagon. I was gassed out of my head. I couldn't even breathe. I didn't know what was going on.

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I've been in school five years. This is the worst I've seen and seen that the police were looking for trouble. After a while, George Margolese

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and these two other men were in the truck with me and we were taken down to the police station. We were never informed of our rights.

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We were never told why we were being arrested, for we were staying in a jail cell for two hours. We finally were released by charge

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was exactly seem like bullshit. I was arrested for failure to move on. That is, uh.

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Yeah. Move on, move on. Disorderly conduct. My friend George was arrested for

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throwing missiles. He didn't even throw a marshmallow. This is what I'm trying to say.

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This doesn't really make too much difference whether, you know, like, you know, I was hurt or not. I'll be okay. They'll heal.

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But what doesn't heal is the thoughts in my mind that when you can't even cross the street, you can't even get across the street without a policeman assaulting you.

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They're supposed to protect you. But it just seems that when they're, you know, attacking people who have never looked for trouble before in their lives. They're not demonstrators.

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And just come up and sees you and with glee start, you know, messing around with you. That's the time that, you know, your whole values start to change and you wonder what's going on.

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And that's about it. One more statement about the extent of the gas. The gassing was terrible. You could smell it.

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You could smell it at the police station over a mile away. Eyes were watering all of the standard effects of teargas. Also, I was also arrested, as well as assaulted by five police officers on campus, never having left cannabis and never having

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thrown anything out. Um. Came on. Campus. They destroyed my capabilities to

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work for this summer. My research has gone for this summer. So if you.

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Ask. Who called this conference? If I hadn't been asked to come up here and sit in. I would have.

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Demanded someone to listen to me. Someone to hear me out. Because yesterday, last evening, I found first hand that they haven't been telling much of stories.

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This thing has been going on. I don't feel that I was justifiably treated any way. I was jerked.

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Off. To the curb, I was hit, I was treated like I had been approaching them with a gun without provocation.

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I don't have any other mice, but it really doesn't matter if they were cockroaches. It took five years to work them up to the point where they are or were last night before 6:00.

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What are your plans in your field? Well, I spent another year breeding animals and selecting out those animals which are useful in research. You said you're now apprehensive of returning.

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To this campus. That's right. If this is going to continue, if this sort of thing is going to continue and we can expect confrontation between student and

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police, the police are going to enter the campus and take things into it. Almost a war. Have you contemplated.

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Leaving? Well, I. I've already turned in my resignation for a year from this June. I'll be leaving officially here.

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As a result of this incident. This was prior. May be changed, but it's as it stands now. I'll be leaving here.

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What's your full name? Robert Lee Strauss. What's that? And.

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Twist that around so that demonstrators will be shown. Shut up. No I don't.

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I think you've got me wrong. If you think I'm trying to say that. Uh. Confrontation.

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They were obviously out to get as many students and hurt them as possible. And it was. It was obvious when they weren't even willing.

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To. Say one word. Did they say, move on to me? You're under arrest. You are breaking the law.

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What law was I breaking? Because doesn't man have a responsibility or a right privilege to protect his property and his job. They were jeopardizing that, and I

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felt I was exercising my right at that moment. If anybody was breaking a law, it was the policeman standing in the street in their masks and their helmets and their guns. And we say that that we don't have.

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What is the. Justice? And I don't like to get into old issues. It's really it's over and done with.

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We've started talking about we. Don't. Need to carry guns anymore. I wonder, I wonder if we don't.

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Need. To. All. Carry guns to protect our lives

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and properties, if this is what we need.